Looks like KBin has an edge over Lemmy now in terms of monthly active users.

It’s obviously a pretty silly thing, and is not in any way indicative of which project is “better” or more “long-term viable” or anything — instances of both federate with one another, and with the rest of fedi, so it’s all one happy family.

That said, it’s notable. KBin is a relative newcomer to the “Reddit-like fedi instance” game, and also does not have the tankie baggage.

Anyway, the more, the merrier!

KBin: https://the-federation.info/platform/184

Lemmy: https://the-federation.info/platform/73

Discussion on fedi: https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/110527049024028986

  • sugar_in_your_teaEnglish
    4·
    2 years ago

    I can’t speak for everyone, but I personally do not want to work with PHP ever again. I’m sure it’s gotten better, but when I last used it (>15 years ago), the standard library was super inconsistent and performance was pretty terrible. It left a bad taste in my mouth, and I now prefer client-side rendering.

    But aside from my personal dislike for PHP, here is why I prefer client-side rendering:

    • easier to have a solid caching strategy - means faster initial page load on mobile/slow connections
    • performance issues are usually limited to database access
    • you get the API for free for third party apps
    • can separate frontend concerns from backend concerns, so it makes development a little easier to split into teams with different skill sets

    That said, for a federated system, it doesn’t really matter that much since people can just increase the number of instances to help share the load. I just personally am not interested in helping with kbin, but I would be totally on board with helping with Lemmy.

    • jonne@infosec.pubEnglish
      4·
      2 years ago

      Yeah, it shows you haven’t used php in a while. Most of the gripes people have with it have been fixed over the years, and every framework encourages you to build an API-first app these days.

      • sugar_in_your_teaEnglish
        1·
        2 years ago

        Sure, but the whole point of PHP is the templating. If we’re going to avoid that (and kbin uses it), why use PHP?

        The backend is going to be request heavy, so something with good async support is going to be a good bet and scale well. I don’t know much about how modern PHP handles async, but it just seems like an odd choice for something with a high volume of small changes. Anything can work if you try hard enough, but at least for me, I’m more likely to get involved with Lemmy than kbin.