Seriously though, the USA is virtually always bad.

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    You seem to be viewing this like its sports, I don’t fucking care about who you think are “undoubtably” bad guys, as far as I’m concerned America is worse. It’s getting people killed, for lines on a map, and you guys brought this on.

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      Why is it the US’s fault that Russia decided that Ukraine should be theirs? Does Russia have a moral obligation to not be relegated to a regional power?

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        jesse-wtf like seriously wtf are you attributing moral obligations to a country of millions of people.

        You know that Ukrainian cities have been getting shelled for like 8 years now, it’s just that now it’s not only the Ukranian government doing it.

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          We are taking about good and bad, and whether it was bad or good that Russia invaded. Those are moral questions. So yes, we can ask whether the actions of a nation are moral.

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            No we are not. You are talking about good and bad because that’s the level you engage with politics.

            I say it’s asenine to attribute moral character to the citizens of a nation of millions unless you’re really prepared to have your glass house targetted.

            Are Americans guilty of its crimes? Should people consider Americans immoral because of all the genocides, slavery, and ongoing mass incarcerations?

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              Are Americans guilty of its crimes? Should people consider Americans immoral because of all the genocides, slavery, and ongoing mass incarcerations?

              Are you incapable of comparing things? Yes the US has problems. I and others are working to fix them. That doesn’t mean morality is worseless.