I told my (sorta) friend that Obama oversaw a bombing of a Doctors Without Borders hospital and his only response was a smug ‘well it wasn’t on purpose’.
Yeah it was totally an accident firing on a hospital in a country you invaded.
On 7 October 2015, President Barack Obama issued an apology and announced the United States would be making condolence payments of $6,000 to the families of those killed in the airstrike
I said you’ll need to go deeper. Where in the command chain did the error happen? Or was it commanded from the top? Using munitions on hospitals usually isn’t as efficient as command centers, so it might actually be a mistake.
Wait, are you actually anti Russian aggression? Yay! Could you help me out explaining in this thread that it actually isn’t okay for Russia to invade?
Again, fucking ghoul. Lives are a toy to you to be thrown around to smear your enemies is that it? Arabic lives are worthless, honorary aryans are exceptions?
I don’t want the war to happen, and that means both sides need to come together for a peace agreement. Invading another country, although with sense considering the geopolitical implications, was still a terrible thing. This is the position of Hexbear. You guys just stick on the parts where we say ukraine needs to pay reparations as well.
The bombing of donbass was insanely inhumane. There was no reason to do that! Russia does not have the subversive ability to prop up such complex movements. They cannot claim that they are just russian soldiers. the separatists have been asking for referendum since the fall of the Soviets. There should have been a renegotiation of the borders of the post soviet republics at the very least, they were made with the other republics.
The mess didn’t start with putin, it started with the fall of the soviet union. An entity with which, all the republics would be without war, and would be working together for the advancement of peace and mutual prosperity.
Arabic lives matter. The US has been too intervention happy over there to the locals deterrent. Should have let isis win years ago.
But sad to hear your following Russian taking points about their justification. I had hoped since you had insulted me by calling me a Kremlin apologist you would be critical of them.
I’m sure there are some legit separatists in the dombas. But I’m also sure Russia is helping them as much as they can with little green men or weapons or propaganda. Besides, when they invaded, they were trying to conquer the whole of Ukraine, not just the dombas.
that may be literally the understatement of the century.
And I am not apologizing for their actions, just acknowledging that their aggression is not the main factor in this conflict. NATO is trying to box in a bear, and they got clawed in the face for it. Its also hard to see NATO as less of an enemy than russia, NATO was created on the basis of being an anti-communist military organization, they were made to kill us. I’m plenty critical of the neoliberal shithole the Russian Federation is, do you really think I like the literal corpse of the socialist motherland ripping itself apart?! These armies used to be one army, these lands one nation! They used to conquer the stars and now those rockets are aimed at the home of their sister countries. Its gone forever now, the nazis won in the end, the USSR died. The armies kill each other over the same land where their grandfathers fought side by side against the fascist menace. They fought together to liberate the land that their grandsons bomb over petty nationalism. Their memory is disgraced by every action in this war.
ukraine and russia are nothing without the Soviet Union.
The movements in donbass have been huge since the fall of the Union, you ignore reality to dismiss this. Russia knows its weakness, it invaded hoping the shock would prompt an immediate peace treaty, but have found themselves embroiled in the most modern war yet. It knows it cannot hope to occupy Ukraine, maybe to demilitarize it or at least have the donbass ceded back to them. Ukraine could have easily made peace by giving internal autonomy to donbass and crimea, but chose to try to ethnically cleanse it for nationbuilding. This gave Russia an opportunity to do some nation building of their own.
This war was caused by nationalism and capitalism. Not any noble desires.
Although I do find myself pleased when I see NATO equipment and troops burn in the conflict, a final revenge of Soviet Steel.
That hospital wasn’t just “set up” anywhere and enemy combatants weren’t hiding in there and even if they were, you dont bomb hospitals, that’s a warcrime
That’s actually a good question. It’s worse if it’s malicious, but it’s still terrible if it’s accidental. The situation never should have been able to arise, preferably because the war never started.
[*] US State Department Memorandum six months before the Soviet invasion: “The United States’ larger interest…would be served by the demise of the Taraki regime, despite whatever setbacks this might mean for future social and economic reform in Afghanistan… The overthrow of the DRA [Democratic Republic of Afghanistan] would show the rest of the world, particularly the Third World, that the Soviet’s view of the socialist course of history as being inevitable is not accurate” (reproduced in Cockburn and St. Clair’s Whiteout, pp. 262-63).
Thanks for the context. I agree that if the war is unjust, the individual events should have been avoided and are culpable to the one who is perpetrating the injustice.
I’ll need to look into it more carefully, but that looks pretty convincing that the US was unjust to get involved.
The US was the one facilitating the violence, so it being “accidental” doesn’t matter. If I shoot a gun randomly into a crowd, it doesn’t matter if I didn’t actually mean to hit anyone.
I told my (sorta) friend that Obama oversaw a bombing of a Doctors Without Borders hospital and his only response was a smug ‘well it wasn’t on purpose’.
Do you think it was on purpose? (I haven’t looked into the one yet)
Yeah it was totally an accident firing on a hospital in a country you invaded.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike
I mean hospitals can be set up anywhere and enemy combatants can hide in hospital buildings. You’ll need to go a little deeper.
Thats some kremlin apologia right there
also you are a soulless bastard
I said you’ll need to go deeper. Where in the command chain did the error happen? Or was it commanded from the top? Using munitions on hospitals usually isn’t as efficient as command centers, so it might actually be a mistake.
Wait, are you actually anti Russian aggression? Yay! Could you help me out explaining in this thread that it actually isn’t okay for Russia to invade?
Again, fucking ghoul. Lives are a toy to you to be thrown around to smear your enemies is that it? Arabic lives are worthless, honorary aryans are exceptions?
I don’t want the war to happen, and that means both sides need to come together for a peace agreement. Invading another country, although with sense considering the geopolitical implications, was still a terrible thing. This is the position of Hexbear. You guys just stick on the parts where we say ukraine needs to pay reparations as well.
The bombing of donbass was insanely inhumane. There was no reason to do that! Russia does not have the subversive ability to prop up such complex movements. They cannot claim that they are just russian soldiers. the separatists have been asking for referendum since the fall of the Soviets. There should have been a renegotiation of the borders of the post soviet republics at the very least, they were made with the other republics.
The mess didn’t start with putin, it started with the fall of the soviet union. An entity with which, all the republics would be without war, and would be working together for the advancement of peace and mutual prosperity.
Arabic lives matter. The US has been too intervention happy over there to the locals deterrent. Should have let isis win years ago.
But sad to hear your following Russian taking points about their justification. I had hoped since you had insulted me by calling me a Kremlin apologist you would be critical of them.
I’m sure there are some legit separatists in the dombas. But I’m also sure Russia is helping them as much as they can with little green men or weapons or propaganda. Besides, when they invaded, they were trying to conquer the whole of Ukraine, not just the dombas.
that may be literally the understatement of the century.
And I am not apologizing for their actions, just acknowledging that their aggression is not the main factor in this conflict. NATO is trying to box in a bear, and they got clawed in the face for it. Its also hard to see NATO as less of an enemy than russia, NATO was created on the basis of being an anti-communist military organization, they were made to kill us. I’m plenty critical of the neoliberal shithole the Russian Federation is, do you really think I like the literal corpse of the socialist motherland ripping itself apart?! These armies used to be one army, these lands one nation! They used to conquer the stars and now those rockets are aimed at the home of their sister countries. Its gone forever now, the nazis won in the end, the USSR died. The armies kill each other over the same land where their grandfathers fought side by side against the fascist menace. They fought together to liberate the land that their grandsons bomb over petty nationalism. Their memory is disgraced by every action in this war.
ukraine and russia are nothing without the Soviet Union.
The movements in donbass have been huge since the fall of the Union, you ignore reality to dismiss this. Russia knows its weakness, it invaded hoping the shock would prompt an immediate peace treaty, but have found themselves embroiled in the most modern war yet. It knows it cannot hope to occupy Ukraine, maybe to demilitarize it or at least have the donbass ceded back to them. Ukraine could have easily made peace by giving internal autonomy to donbass and crimea, but chose to try to ethnically cleanse it for nationbuilding. This gave Russia an opportunity to do some nation building of their own.
This war was caused by nationalism and capitalism. Not any noble desires.
Although I do find myself pleased when I see NATO equipment and troops burn in the conflict, a final revenge of Soviet Steel.
holy shit shut the fuck up already
Sure
You can block me if you want.
Eat shit
That hospital wasn’t just “set up” anywhere and enemy combatants weren’t hiding in there and even if they were, you dont bomb hospitals, that’s a warcrime
Seriously wtf is wrong with you?
I don’t know the event your taking about, that’s why I’m asking for more information.
You don’t anything about the subject yet you still felt comfortable opening your punk-ass mouth about it
Kick rocks shitlib
Scratch a liberal.
You’re not asking for more information, you barge in and opine as if you are presenting a valid concern. Have some humility
War crime bootlicker
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Ok so Russia is perfectly ok to blow up Ukrainian hospitals because Ukrainian armed forces are fortifying them and using them
Does it matter if it was on purpose to the people killed?
That’s actually a good question. It’s worse if it’s malicious, but it’s still terrible if it’s accidental. The situation never should have been able to arise, preferably because the war never started.
I dont think it makes a differnce to the people who died in the hospital what you think is morally better
It was a result of the U.S. purposely undoing progressive reform in Afghanistan[*] and backing extremists to draw the USSR in and provoke a slaughter (then lying about it and saying they only funded extremists afterwards, only to admit this later); the U.S. then returned to assert control of the middle east due to oil pipeline plans/natural gas reserves. Oh and also the U.S. used the economic system that they had set up during occupation to starve Afghanis after they left. This wasn’t some silly accident, it was part of a plan that no matter what meant the destruction of Afghanistan and the murder of hundreds of thousands. It doesn’t matter if it was directly “on purpose.”
[*] US State Department Memorandum six months before the Soviet invasion: “The United States’ larger interest…would be served by the demise of the Taraki regime, despite whatever setbacks this might mean for future social and economic reform in Afghanistan… The overthrow of the DRA [Democratic Republic of Afghanistan] would show the rest of the world, particularly the Third World, that the Soviet’s view of the socialist course of history as being inevitable is not accurate” (reproduced in Cockburn and St. Clair’s Whiteout, pp. 262-63).
Thanks for the context. I agree that if the war is unjust, the individual events should have been avoided and are culpable to the one who is perpetrating the injustice.
I’ll need to look into it more carefully, but that looks pretty convincing that the US was unjust to get involved.
The US was the one facilitating the violence, so it being “accidental” doesn’t matter. If I shoot a gun randomly into a crowd, it doesn’t matter if I didn’t actually mean to hit anyone.
Oh whoops oh fuck I blew up a hospital in another country I have no business being in. Total accident!