There’s a pretty significant difference between “I don’t trust neurotypicals” and “I don’t trust a specific neurotypical person who diagnoses without extensive hands-on experience in the relevant target population, particularly when the population in question tends to intentionally learn to hide their defining characteristics as they get older.”
I understand that it might be an uncomfortable feeling that if difficult to put into words, but can you elaborate on that?
From my perspective, the differences in experiences make it very difficult for NTs and non-NTs to relate to each others’ mental experiences. In the past, it’s had some very violent and abusive results, and while things have very much improved from then, that gap between experiences still exists and won’t likely ever go away. So I guess my real question here is why should non-NTs trust NTs in this specific area?
I can understand being concerning if you’re just talking about a lack of trust in general, which I do think is the case, too.
I am in fact referring to the general space, not any particular topic. There is a lot of othering and tribalism that I’ve observed. It’s a dangerous precedent for a community to set, regardless of what the community is focused around.
If leaving away the main context of what i typed is concerning you, then yeah …
Or do you want to say that ND people are disentitled from knowing themselves best?
Just to make sure you “concerned” people know what i am talking about (and i speak for this whole community, for they are diverse): I’m talking about people with special sensitivities and special abilities which are very much needed in this kind of “civilisation”. Such people used to fulfill special tasks within their tribes, back in the times when humans were still living in more natural societies. I’m talking of a low percentage of human populations (well, it’s >15% if we count all HSPs) that evolved having certain qualities which turned out to beneficial for those populations – not of people who have some kind of “disorder” that would require clinical attention or what would naturally get selected out in the course of evolution. What constitutes a disorder/disability is IMO the consequence of all the trauma which such people receive by not being properly recognised and given their special tasks within today’s society. No doubt many of them are suffering from it, but it’s also very understandable if they were to say that they wouldn’t want to be clinically handled by the methods said society usually has to offer.
fwiw, here is an essay that speaks about exactly this same thing but it does take some more words and referances to get a message against pathologising across. It’s a whole series of essays.
I agree 100% with it, would just have chosen a somewhat different language.
This is the main thrust of what I’m seeing out of this subreddit. It’s concerning.
There’s a pretty significant difference between “I don’t trust neurotypicals” and “I don’t trust a specific neurotypical person who diagnoses without extensive hands-on experience in the relevant target population, particularly when the population in question tends to intentionally learn to hide their defining characteristics as they get older.”
In what way? That people here aren’t trusting NTs or that NTs are giving reason to not be trusted?
The first one.
I understand that it might be an uncomfortable feeling that if difficult to put into words, but can you elaborate on that?
From my perspective, the differences in experiences make it very difficult for NTs and non-NTs to relate to each others’ mental experiences. In the past, it’s had some very violent and abusive results, and while things have very much improved from then, that gap between experiences still exists and won’t likely ever go away. So I guess my real question here is why should non-NTs trust NTs in this specific area?
I can understand being concerning if you’re just talking about a lack of trust in general, which I do think is the case, too.
I am in fact referring to the general space, not any particular topic. There is a lot of othering and tribalism that I’ve observed. It’s a dangerous precedent for a community to set, regardless of what the community is focused around.
H e x b e a r
If leaving away the main context of what i typed is concerning you, then yeah …
Or do you want to say that ND people are disentitled from knowing themselves best?
Just to make sure you “concerned” people know what i am talking about (and i speak for this whole community, for they are diverse): I’m talking about people with special sensitivities and special abilities which are very much needed in this kind of “civilisation”. Such people used to fulfill special tasks within their tribes, back in the times when humans were still living in more natural societies. I’m talking of a low percentage of human populations (well, it’s >15% if we count all HSPs) that evolved having certain qualities which turned out to beneficial for those populations – not of people who have some kind of “disorder” that would require clinical attention or what would naturally get selected out in the course of evolution. What constitutes a disorder/disability is IMO the consequence of all the trauma which such people receive by not being properly recognised and given their special tasks within today’s society. No doubt many of them are suffering from it, but it’s also very understandable if they were to say that they wouldn’t want to be clinically handled by the methods said society usually has to offer.
Yes, you’re very special and important.
*sigh*
fwiw, here is an essay that speaks about exactly this same thing but it does take some more words and referances to get a message against pathologising across. It’s a whole series of essays.
I agree 100% with it, would just have chosen a somewhat different language.
post in this forum: https://lemmy.world/post/4802441
direct link to the essay: Autistic people – The cultural immune system of human societies
if you like that one, I suggest to continue with this one, as it plays well into the context here (at least that’s what I read next): Autistic people are not for sale