A draft law sparks debate with locals calling it absurd and questioning how they would be policed.

A draft law banning speech and dressing “detrimental to the spirit of Chinese people” has sparked debate in China.

If the law comes into force, people found guilty could be fined or jailed but the proposal does not yet spell out what constitutes a violation.

Social media users and legal experts have called for more clarity to avoid excessive enforcement.

China recently released a swathe of proposed changes to its public security laws - the first reforms in decades.

The clothing law has drawn immediate reaction from the public - with many online criticising it as excessive and absurd.

The contentious clauses suggest that people who wear or force others to wear clothing and symbols that “undermine the spirit or hurt the feelings of the Chinese nation” could be detained for up to 15 days and fined up to 5,000 yuan ($680; £550).

    • IteriaEnglish
      313·
      1 year ago

      Honestly, I feel the same about both: it’s absurd. With France I get the “freedom from religion” spiel from some Frenchman, but it’s veiled xenophobia to me. When you ban a kind of clothing but only for one group of people, that’s basically the definition. Here, it’s just fascism. At least the Chinese people are speaking out.

      • Armen12@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        France doesn’t ban religious anything, only in public schools, that’s all. Outside education people are free to do what they want. What China is doing is wildly different, China just bans things in general for all sectors of life

        • IteriaEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          Public school? You mean that place that children are mandated to be? Also you forgot government. It was a whole thing. So if you’re a Muslim and you want to be a part of the French government, then I hope you don’t have any attachment to those head scarves. There are other religions ornamentation, but the head scarves one was the last one I saw. And whether school or a DMV clerk, it’s dumb.

          Also noticed I used two different labels for France rather than China. I think China is fascist with what they’re doing. France is xenophobic with what they’re doing.

          • Armen12@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            France is the least Xenophobic country on Earth, what are you even saying?

      • wahming@monyet.ccEnglish
        89·
        1 year ago

        The French didn’t ban for only one group of people, all religions are affected.

        • lud@lemm.eeEnglish
          172·
          1 year ago

          It targeted one group of people though.

          Either way banning clothes is stupid.

          • wahming@monyet.ccEnglish
            38·
            1 year ago

            Other groups of people have been affected in the past. The Muslims are just the current latest group affected by it.

            Either way banning clothes is stupid.

            They have pretty sound logic for doing it

            • lud@lemm.eeEnglish
              102·
              1 year ago

              Other groups of people have been affected in the past. The Muslims are just the current latest group affected by it.

              Any recent examples?

              They have pretty sound logic for doing it

              What’s the logic?

          • Armen12@lemm.eeEnglish
            23·
            1 year ago

            I’ve been to France many times and religion isn’t banned at all, France is an incredibly diverse country, probably the most in all of Europe

              • Armen12@lemm.eeEnglish
                11·
                1 year ago

                Yes you are, that’s what you people are all implying and it’s completely false

                • Lols [they/them]@lemm.eeEnglish
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  can you explain who “you people” are? are they in the room with us right now?

                  can you also give the specific quote where “you people” said france bans all religion? you didnt just, y’know, imagine it did you?

                  • Armen12@lemm.eeEnglish
                    1·
                    1 year ago

                    “are they in the room with us right now?”

                    I’m conversing with you in this thread, unless you don’t exist? Is that what you’re saying? lol

        • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.worldEnglish
          32·
          1 year ago

          Yeah this is equality vs equity. If your religion has no religious outfits it doesn’t impact you if your religion does it does impact you. You can’t make a rule that only impacts one minority group and claim that it is fair because it hurts everyone the same way, since it clearly doesn’t.

    • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.worldEnglish
      22·
      1 year ago

      My comments were about the same. As much as I hate religion you have every right to express it. French students should be able to wear religious symbols and garments in schools, the CCP should not be going after this shit, men have a right to sag their pants. I can go on but I think my point is clear, freedom includes the freedom to be offensive or it means nothing.

    • Pat12@lemmy.worldEnglish
      37·
      1 year ago

      when women are obligated to cover up, people just accept those governments telling them what to do; have you seen any protests lately about governments in the middle east and asia telling women to cover up?