exploding-heads are infiltrating our discussions - lemm.ee
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The screenshot shows the recommendations from https://join-lemmy.org/ [https://join-lemmy.org/]. Still being federated with exploding-heads does not mean the instance supports them. But it means that shit-heads are allowed to take part in the discussions on their communities. They do intoxicate the discussions we will have. They will attack minorities. Maybe you will not be harassed by them, more vulnerable people will be. They are allowed to moderate communities on these instances. Exploding-heads members actively guide young and unknowing people to their hateful instance. They try to start discussions about the holocaust https://sh.itjust.works/post/227268 [https://sh.itjust.works/post/227268]. They create communities only to crosspost exploding-heads content https://lemmy.world/c/pharma [https://lemmy.world/c/pharma] They take over discussions against them https://exploding-heads.com/comment/132189 [https://exploding-heads.com/comment/132189] “WHY are vulnerable people joining a decentralized system? Isnt this why you want a closed, not for public eyes community?” This was a link to exploding-heads, because when someone copies a permalink of a comment from them on another instance, it will be a link to their instance. Are we building a place where vulnerable people are welcome and safe or are we building a place where nazis are welcome and safe? They want you to block them, they comment that everywhere. They block people who are in favor of defederating them https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714 [https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714] When their opponents won’t see them anymore, they can harass and recruit without being noticed. Blocking will not solve the problem. They will spread even when you close your eyes. M̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ t̶h̶i̶s̶ w̶a̶s̶ n̶o̶t̶ d̶o̶n̶e̶ i̶n̶t̶e̶n̶t̶i̶o̶n̶a̶l̶l̶y̶, b̶u̶t̶ n̶o̶w̶ there is a post with a list of ‘health communities on Lemmy’ with the first entry guiding to exploding heads. https://lemmy.world/post/396561 [https://lemmy.world/post/396561] It is still possible that some of the mentioned instances do support them. The owner of sh.itjust.works says that because of “free speech” all other instances would be allowed. It is suspicious to me that his line is drawn only for lemmygrad https://sh.itjust.works/comment/130474 [https://sh.itjust.works/comment/130474] >The decision to block the Lemmygrad instance was less a question of censorship, and more an issue of personal conviction. As a volunteer dedicating my personal resources and time to facilitating a space for users to create, discover, and discuss - not just on this instance, but across the Fediverse - I admit that this choice was made alone, selfishly, without the consent or thoroughly considering the collective opinion of the community. With the above said, sh.itjust.works has had the lemmygrad instance blocked from its first day. >I’d like to also point out that the lemmygrad instance has far more blocked instances than what is currently blocked here. Maybe you can create a post on that instance to see what that’s all about and report back? At the same time they seem to ignore the call and vote to defederate with exploding-heads https://sh.itjust.works/post/433483 [https://sh.itjust.works/post/433483]. They rejected to delete The_Donald from sh.itjust.works until they feared to get isolated from the other instances: https://lemmy.ml/post/1467310 [https://lemmy.ml/post/1467310]. They where aware of The_Donald and ignored early warnings. (https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/266248 [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/266248]). TD was more important to them than keeping the only mod of their 4th biggest community c/patientgamers (https://sh.itjust.works/post/291747 [https://sh.itjust.works/post/291747], https://sh.itjust.works/post/388922 [https://sh.itjust.works/post/388922]) Since The_Donald was removed, I did not find more racist content on the mentioned servers. That is part their tactics. They act harmless but recruit to their instance, attract likeminded people and chase others away. Discussions on sh.itjust.works about such topics are very toxic already, soon they might be able to do more harm. (My research is very limited, as i could not search for all exploding-heads member content on other instances by entering their domain. I know there are nice communities on sh.itjust.works.) What can be done? On joinmastodon.org [http://joinmastodon.org] there is a Mastodon Server Covenant with very few useful rules, one of them is “Active moderation against racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia”. https://joinmastodon.org/covenant [https://joinmastodon.org/covenant] It would be a first step to implement these rules for join-lemmy.org [http://join-lemmy.org]. At least instances that want to be recommended on there should have to agree to that rule. More actions should be taken now. Please make suggestions. Things will only become more complicated. The next reddit wave is incoming. For those who did not already know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance] https://www.upworthy.com/bartender-explains-why-he-swiftly-kicks-nazis-out-of-his-punk-bar-even-if-theyre-not-bothering-anyone [https://www.upworthy.com/bartender-explains-why-he-swiftly-kicks-nazis-out-of-his-punk-bar-even-if-theyre-not-bothering-anyone] This is not the first time new platforms face these problems, do we really have to repeat the same mistakes? -Share/crosspost -Contact admins

See longer post (not by me) there, if all is true then they should fall under both the spam and mass lemm.ee rule breaking defederation rules, both bigotry and abusive language, though not always in combination.

Also the covenant thing Mastodon has would probably be a good idea.

  • barsoap@lemm.eeOP
    363·
    1 year ago

    Again, I have zero to do with EH except using their servers to host a community im interested in after I lost it on Reddit.

    There’s a German saying, “Mitgefangen, mitgehangen”: Caught together, hung together. If you don’t want people to assume you’re a Nazi maybe don’t hang out in their backyard.

    …and if you didn’t notice but only notice now, well, maybe it’s time to high-tail out of there. Plenty of instances out there and it’s not like your community over there would already be up and running, it’s in the “all posts are by the mod” phase.

    I also dont understand the refusal of OP of the original post to selfhost if they want to adminstrate what federations should and shouldnt be allowed.

    Why don’t you self-host an instance for your community so that you have better control over who federates with it and who doesn’t?

    If you want to, sure, go ahead but self-hosting shouldn’t be a requirement to even have an opinion on these matters.

    • markeuzu@exploding-heads.com
      517·
      1 year ago

      I dont have to be educated on what Germans think about nazis. I remember that little time period where you guys took over my country, pillaged it and murdered my people for not agreeing with your nazi leaders. And pretty much every part of Europe.

      I dont have to high tail out of any place, I just dont want to be bullied by people like you harassing me with comments out of context.

      • hypelightfly@kbin.social
        82·
        1 year ago

        It’s not just Germans. If you associate with Nazi’s (you are) then you are a Nazi. You actively made that choice.

        • Christer Enfors@lemm.ee
          31·
          1 year ago

          Honest question, from someone who absolutely does not want to associate with nazis:

          I can understand leaving an instance that allows nazis, but there has to be some limit to “don’t ever associate with nazis” - a silly example perhaps, but if a nazi moves into my town, do I have to leave town?

          I mean, I understand leaving Fediverse instances and moving from a town in real life are two totally different things, but at the same time, it’s the same principle - don’t stay where nazis are allowed. Even if it’s pretty clear cut that you should leave the instance, I’m just saying that perhaps sometimes there are exceptions to the “don’t stay where nazis are allowed” rule.

          • barsoap@lemm.eeOP
            3·
            1 year ago

            I mean, it depends. If Nazis are coming to your town you should organise and make them leave again, or at least keep their head down and out of sight. You know, the usual Antifa stuff: Friendly letter to e.g. venues whether they really want to host Nazis, to landlords, to employers, whatnot. Raise the social cost of doing Nazi things. Collecting sufficient intelligence is always the first line of action, the second is a thorough analysis of the situation, choosing the right mode of action to have the maximum amount of people behind you etc, anything else is actionism. If in doubt, be creative.

            If, OTOH, you move to a small village in East Germany and, participating in an ordinary village grill-out suddenly realise everyone is laughing at the Holocaust joke someone wrote on their BBQ smoker – you’re probably the only non-Nazi there. For your own safety and sanity, yep, high-tail out of there. If your safety and sanity aren’t in danger in that situation chances are you’re a Nazi, or at least sufficiently adjacent.

            At least over here they really tried the “just a regular guy doing regular things, nothing to see, helpful friendly chap” approach, e.g. Nazis joining volunteer fire brigades, in an attempt to normalise themselves. As in Germany the municipalities can’t generally prevent someone from joining up the rest of the fire department threatened resignation which then gave the municipality the necessary reason to deny the Nazi membership.