Conservatives be like: Hey that’s 30% of the population that’s guaranteed to be on our side!
My friend and I discuss this all the time 70% of the population is center left to left. The Liberal NDP split is tough, I don’t want these popularist parties (PPC,New Blue, Maveric) are a cancer but I kinda sometimes wish they gained more traction to split the vote more.
But if we implement proportional representation, extremists who don’t represent the Canadian mainstream public could get in!!!11!1!1!!oneoneone
Fingers crossed that the CPC breaks up
Bring back the Progressive Conservatives.
The other three blame extreme weather on gays and “wokeness”.
Hopefully those same people will vote for politicians that are willing to actually do something practical about it.
Agreed, but the Greens are problematic for various reasons, and the NDP is “terrifyingly socialist/communistic” for far too many people, even though it is solidly centrist, and nowhere near left of centre much less leftist in any significant manner.
With all three other major parties either full-derpy alt-right (CPC, PPC) or small-c conservative (Liberals), none of whom would dare negatively impact their big-business, business-as-usual obsessed donors with climate legislation, who else do we have to vote for that can actually implement meaningful progress?
Alberta and Saskatchewan put together is only about 15% of Canada’s population, so I would’ve assumed the number to be closer to 85%
Add a chunk of Manitoba and BC, some wackos in Ontario and Quebec (pretty much the center of the francophone conspiracy world at this point…) and you get 30%!
Deep rural anywhere - the people who keep voting against their (and our) interests.
Not just deep rural. The entire Okanagan Valley - over a third of a million people - is redder than pee-pee’s arse after a good paddling in his S&M dungeon.
This comes from oodles of boomers and older people who have been indoctrinated on the “communist menace” of the 50s and 60s, and who think that anything not conservative is evil.
We also have a fairly decent white supremacist population, and the largest chunk of domestic financial support for the TruKKKer QUANONvoy also came from here. All in all, a cesspool of alt-right Fascism and degeneracy.
Edit: sigh… this event happened right about the time as I first posted this comment: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/sikh-student-attacked-kelowna-1.6966142
Stay classy, Kelowna. Stay classy.
I understand Canadians here.
Being worried does nothing at all.
How many of those 7 out of 10 are eating a plant based diet? Avoid using motor vehicles? Avoid flying and cruises? Buy secondhand goods whenever possible? Use clean energy?
We can all be “worried”, but inaction at an individual level isn’t helping the problem. Blaming corporations who pollute is only shifting blame, but we are all responsible for what’s been happening, and what will happen, to our climate.
Action at the individual level does a great fuck-all when O&G companies are raping our planet for shareholder value at an accelerated rate.
That’s the same argument as arguing as Canada doesn’t have to do anything about climate change because China and India can fix it on their own with their bigger population. We have to make some changes on the individual level to be good role models and to pressure those same corporations
I disagree with the “blame all the individuals”, but those O&G companies are destroying the planet because they have customers. Somebody buys the gasoline, the fertilizer that becomes cattle-feed, the airline-tickets that consume the fuel.
If demand dropped, so would their profits.
At the same time billions of people live paycheck to paycheck and they can’t afford to vote for the future with their wallets, because they have to vote for their survival right now. Demand pressure is essential but we can’t rely on just that.
Edit.: Not saying that you’re implying otherwise, I just think it’s important to add that any demand drop will be mild at best in the short term, negligible at worst, and we need to go fast so policy is necessary.
Right. I’m not prescribing how the supply should look. Whether it’s a mass deregulation and turning the entire green belt into a trailer park and importing a crapload of mobile homes, or whether we go top-down and start building Khrushchyovkas, or we invent a complicated system of co-ops, or we nationalize every hotel in Canada, whatever strategy that we take: we need a crapload more rental housing, and at least some of it will need to specifically target the most vulnerable because it’s going to take time to properly drive down rents system-wide and there are people for whom this is an emergency.
Action at the individual level
Individual x 8.1 billion = significant change.
Yes, some companies are just awful, but we are supporting them with our lifestyle. Our choices affect their bottom line, and often force them to do better (or worse) depending on how we spend our money.
Yeah, the method for those 8.1 bil to organize together to affect meaningful change exists already — it’s called countries passing laws to stop corporations.
it’s called countries passing laws to stop corporations.
Stop them from doing what? Providing goods and services to 8.1 billion people?
lol
a collectivist environmentalist, a practical environmentalist, and someone clueless about pollution and extractivism walk into a bar…
An onlooker shouts, “How did they not see it?”
I refuse to believe that you’re this stupid.
Believe what you want, I guess. To spend my time on an Internet forum over doing something useful does necessarily require me to be quite stupid.
Tell us, how does raping the planet create shareholder value?
Covid and the vaccine was a microcosm for societal behavior. A small percent of the population just won’t give a fuck. The majority will do a thing based on self preservation. A small percent will do a thing for the collective interest.
The tough thing about climate change is there isn’t an immediate and tangible threat. There’s no virus in your face. It’s a long slow erosion of the living planet. In that sense it’s very difficult to convince people to act out of self preservation. There’s no queuing for an inoculation and you’re done. You saved the world too. Give yourself a pat on the back. The species as a whole has to modify its behavior with out immediate personal gain. That’s a tough proposition.
Especially for us. The part of the world that exports its pollution from both ends. Manufacturing exists out of sight out of mind. Disposal exists out of sight out of mind. We’re the global NIMBYs.
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