Well yeah, even if they aren’t good at it and are of hypocritical about it, appearing to believe the “what happens on iPhone stays on iPhone” philosophy is important to them.
I wouldn’t say they’re hypocritical. I was in complete shock that they actually scrapped their iPhone scanning plans and now offer E2E for most of iCloud. They aren’t perfect but they definitely are better than most companies
It’s generally a question about what’s best for the user, your general user would likely be more mad losing all their messages because they forgot their password then they are calmed by the fact that no one else can read the data. Same for photos and files, however for sensitive categories such as health and passwords they are always end to end encrypted as it’s determined it’s worse for anyone else to get that data then it is for the user to lose it.
For anyone that truly cares to have complete encryption there is advanced data protection but for the general users the defaults are a good balance between security and ease of use.
Yeah, all of that is true. But people who buy iPhones and assume, because the marketing said so, that they’re perfectly secure are worryingly ignorant.
Man, I was hoping by moving away from Reddit I could move away from the pure hate apple for whatever reason. Show me how the other mobile OS is making things any better?
I use an iPhone 12. I’m not going to defend Android because I don’t use it. I’m just not under the illusion of whatever Apple marketing distills complex problems down to, for better or worse, and being disillusioned isn’t “hate”, it’s awareness. Hate is something I reserve for my mother and father. This is just a goddamn phone.
Moreover, being less bad than the other guy doesn’t make you not bad. Your whataboutism is weak tea.
Except “less bad” is better than bad when you have 2 choices. I’d love to know where apple had blown it on their privacy record. And don’t try to bring up the CSAM shit because they walked back on that when they realized their userbase didn’t want it.
Well yeah, even if they aren’t good at it and are of hypocritical about it, appearing to believe the “what happens on iPhone stays on iPhone” philosophy is important to them.
I wouldn’t say they’re hypocritical. I was in complete shock that they actually scrapped their iPhone scanning plans and now offer E2E for most of iCloud. They aren’t perfect but they definitely are better than most companies
Yeaaaaah maybe read up on some of the E2E stuff. Someone else at the top of this post posted a link to how it works.
Yeah but his point stands. Here’s the summary:
It’s generally good practice to not use iCloud backups but rather back it up yourself, however, most people don’t care enough.
Cool. Now explain that to the average user.
It’s generally a question about what’s best for the user, your general user would likely be more mad losing all their messages because they forgot their password then they are calmed by the fact that no one else can read the data. Same for photos and files, however for sensitive categories such as health and passwords they are always end to end encrypted as it’s determined it’s worse for anyone else to get that data then it is for the user to lose it.
For anyone that truly cares to have complete encryption there is advanced data protection but for the general users the defaults are a good balance between security and ease of use.
Yeah, all of that is true. But people who buy iPhones and assume, because the marketing said so, that they’re perfectly secure are worryingly ignorant.
Man, I was hoping by moving away from Reddit I could move away from the pure hate apple for whatever reason. Show me how the other mobile OS is making things any better?
I use an iPhone 12. I’m not going to defend Android because I don’t use it. I’m just not under the illusion of whatever Apple marketing distills complex problems down to, for better or worse, and being disillusioned isn’t “hate”, it’s awareness. Hate is something I reserve for my mother and father. This is just a goddamn phone.
Moreover, being less bad than the other guy doesn’t make you not bad. Your whataboutism is weak tea.
Except “less bad” is better than bad when you have 2 choices. I’d love to know where apple had blown it on their privacy record. And don’t try to bring up the CSAM shit because they walked back on that when they realized their userbase didn’t want it.
Top of this post. Someone posted a link to Apple’s website explaining the stipulation regarding iMessage and iCloud E2E.
Stop being so defensive.