• BlackLodgeCooper@lemmy.mlEnglish
      60·
      1 year ago

      Fruit is a botanical term for things with seeds in it. Vegetable is a culinary term. They aren’t mutually exclusive so when people say something is either a fruit OR a vegetable, it isn’t an apples vs oranges comparison.

    • ramble81@lemm.ee
      34·
      1 year ago

      Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

    • bob_lemon@feddit.de
      193·
      1 year ago

      I mean, that it’s a terrible definition of vegetable, considering it rules out a very large amount of vegetables, including tomatoes, bell peppers, eggplants and cucumbers.

      • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        102·
        1 year ago

        You can apply that to pretty much any categorization we make for the natural world.

        The natural world doesn’t care for our categorizations or social construct. It can, and will, make shit that just does not fit to any of our boxes, and like it!

        • chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          8·
          1 year ago

          Man: mammals have live births and give milk through breasts (technically mammary glands, though most expect nipples)

          World: have you met my friend the platypus?

          • SpookyAlex03@lemmy.zipEnglish
            3·
            1 year ago

            Ah yes, the semi-aquatic, egg-laying mammal of action. A key part of god’s fight against those who demand everything be neatly categorized into simple boxes

        • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
          4·
          1 year ago

          It’s a cooking term, not a biology term.

          In cooking, tomatoes are vegetables. Biologically, they’re fruit. In cooking, they’re not fruit.

        • orphiebaby@lemm.ee
          1·
          1 year ago

          Not nearly as much as you seem to think. “Anything can be anything” is a common line by people who don’t know anything. “Autism is an infinite spectrum. Everyone’s a little bit autistic!” “Everything that looks similar in some ways to a game that’s been called an ‘RPG’ is an RPG!” Assumptions and infinite inclusions come more easily than actual knowledge and categorizations.

          • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            1·
            1 year ago

            I was referring more to how there’s an exception to every rule in, for example, biology (and other things in nature).

            You mentioned autism, which by itself is an exception to the rule of how we think humans beings “should” be and act. And autistic people have long been tried to be forcefully put into the societally constructed boxes we made for ourselves, instead of accepting that some people are different and that it’s ok.

            Or how left handed people exist. Or how intersex is a thing. Or the myriad of medical conditions which, while not harmful, make people different, like situs inversus.

            And that’s just for humans. In nature you got everything from viruses which is debatable whether it can even be categorized as life, to platypuses, to fungi that have tens of thousands of different sexes. And this list is near endless.

      • jarfil@lemmy.world
        11·
        1 year ago

        It’s a definition of “fruit”: thing that’s full of seeds, intended to fall off the plant.

        Technically, any part of a plant is a “vegetable”. Tomatoes? Vegetables. Lettuce leaves? Vegetables. Leek stalks? Vegetables. Spruce 2x4? Vegetables…

    • Smoogs@lemmy.world
      51·
      1 year ago

      Why should anyone care this much though. It isn’t poisoning anyone. it’s not breaking anything in the kitchen. It’s still edible. No animal died to give it to you.just Eat it and be fed.

    • snaf@lemmy.sdf.org
      63·
      1 year ago

      Generally when people talk fruits and vegetables they are referring to culinary tradition. Vegetable does not have a precise scientific definition anyway, despite what you’ve heard from The Big Bang Theory.

    • krellor@kbin.social
      61·
      1 year ago

      Most pizza is white bread, marinara sauce, cheese, and less healthy toppings like red or cured meat. Basically pizza is carbs and fat, minimal micro nutrients, and moderate protein. The amount most people need to eat to feel sated is generally more calories than a meal centered around beans, lean meats, or other proteins.

      There is also a lot of variability. Deep dish pizzas or some pan pizzas from some chains are soaked in oil in the pan when cooked (looking at you pizza hut). Certain sauces also boost the calorie count, such as ranch or Alfredo.

      Likewise, a thin crust pizza with lots of veggies is comparatively ok in terms of calories per slice.

      I always mentally treat pizza the same a pasta. It’s a potential to carb and calorie bomb yourself without feeling sated for long, but can be prepared in a way to be better and part of a rounded meal. Eating a couple slices with a salad is fine. Eating a whole pizza on to of other regular meals in the day isn’t.

    • BastingChemina@slrpnk.net
      1·
      1 year ago

      I think it’s mostly the amount eaten.

      When prepared from basic ingredients pizza and pasta are the exact same ingredients : flour, salt, tomatoes, cheese and some extra toppings.

      Except that when I’m making pizza at home I know I have to double the amount of flour compared to pasta.

      I don’t know why but we are just eating so much more when it’s pizza rather than pastas or another meal.

    • canEnglish
      111·
      1 year ago

      Botanically, yes, culinarily, not necessarily.