I remember a couple days ago scrolling on the ufos and conspiracy places on some old site and seeing them all accuse anyone who thought this was sketchy as “disinfo agents” trying to distract them and discredit the obviously huge discovery for mankind this was.
They would rather believe in a made up, shadowy group of super wealthy and connected people that rule the world, as opposed to the very public group of super wealthy and connected people that rule the world.
I honestly think the Panama papers were too much evidence for conspiracy theorists. They need something more edgy and attractive. Not something obvious that everyone else is on board with. It’s all about being against the grain
You sheep! Can’t you see that the very public and obvious group of wealthy people that rule the world are just a front!!??!? A front for the real secret group of wealthy people that rule the world, like… Bill Gates, and… Jeffery Bezos, and…
So, I have a private theory that there is a deliberate effort by government and industry to spread obviously outlandish conspiracy theories, to discredit people who are threatening government and industry’s operations by talking about the actual conspiracies that happen.
Lots of rich people are sex criminals -> people find out and start listing specific names -> QAnon -> helps discredit people talking about pedophilia by the powerful
I think a related thing happens in protest organizations, with part of the affected industry’s multi-million-dollar effort to combat their opposition, e.g.:
Factory farming exists -> people find out how bad it is and get upset -> ag industry infiltrates PETA with people who say outlandish things -> people think PETA is crazy -> helps discredit opponents of factory farming
Climate crisis -> people do protests to try to stop it -> energy industry infiltrates protest organizations and advocates for protest methods that are guaranteed to piss people off -> helps discredit climate protests
Ironically enough, I have precisely 0 shred of evidence or indication that any of this is happening. But, it makes so much sense that I believe it to be true.
My impression is these things are always multifaceted, right? I’m sure different “think-tanks” with “armies of online trolls” plant seeds / stem the flames of whatever is convenient, but likewise a lot of people are biased to not want to believe whatever has “mainstream” evidence, whether it’s a conspiracy or anything else. In sum it’s a cooking pot for something with a lot of pull
Same with a lot of if not most religious people, they literally need to believe the world is orderly and under control because the reality of random chance is too scary
They believe in conspiracies not because they truly believe the earth is flat or whatever, they might, but they are attracted to fringe beliefs for the desire for community. Or to make sense of the randomness of the world. For an uncomplicated answer for complicated problems. It’s a lot more complicated that people being kinda dumb.
I feel the problem with that mindset is that it implies that the government would have a direct benefit to denying the existence of aliens. When the reality is that defense spending would nearly double if proven true.
NASA is kind of in the same boat, once alien life is found, suddenly people are going to want research and collect data on the new life, which means their budget goes up too.
So there is a direct intensive to finding aliens from two places of government.
Then there is the personal benefits, you get to be the first human in history to discover aliens.
As an academic, your face will be in every history book titled “First contact.” You will be on every talk show across the US and abroad as it would be translated into multiple languages. You’d be famous and wealthy whether you wanted it or not.
So when I look at the argument that the government has a direct intensive to hide the truth, I don’t see a fair argument. Just people that assume the government has those intensives to hide from the public, when the reality is the opposite.
Agree with you. Finding actual extraterrestrial life would be a sure fire way to get a big budget increase. The issue here is that people who are intellectually inclined like this don’t think like this. It’s a couple steps too far ahead.
I remember a couple days ago scrolling on the ufos and conspiracy places on some old site and seeing them all accuse anyone who thought this was sketchy as “disinfo agents” trying to distract them and discredit the obviously huge discovery for mankind this was.
It was amusing and sad.
It’s amazing how none of the conspiracy morons care about real shit like the Panama papers etc.
They would rather believe in a made up, shadowy group of super wealthy and connected people that rule the world, as opposed to the very public group of super wealthy and connected people that rule the world.
I honestly think the Panama papers were too much evidence for conspiracy theorists. They need something more edgy and attractive. Not something obvious that everyone else is on board with. It’s all about being against the grain
You sheep! Can’t you see that the very public and obvious group of wealthy people that rule the world are just a front!!??!? A front for the real secret group of wealthy people that rule the world, like… Bill Gates, and… Jeffery Bezos, and…
Yeah, that’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s a conspiracy fact.
So, I have a private theory that there is a deliberate effort by government and industry to spread obviously outlandish conspiracy theories, to discredit people who are threatening government and industry’s operations by talking about the actual conspiracies that happen.
I think a related thing happens in protest organizations, with part of the affected industry’s multi-million-dollar effort to combat their opposition, e.g.:
Ironically enough, I have precisely 0 shred of evidence or indication that any of this is happening. But, it makes so much sense that I believe it to be true.
My impression is these things are always multifaceted, right? I’m sure different “think-tanks” with “armies of online trolls” plant seeds / stem the flames of whatever is convenient, but likewise a lot of people are biased to not want to believe whatever has “mainstream” evidence, whether it’s a conspiracy or anything else. In sum it’s a cooking pot for something with a lot of pull
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Conspiracists cling to complicated conspiracies because it provides them a clear story about how the world runs.
These people are intellectually incapable of understanding that the world is mostly random.
Same with a lot of if not most religious people, they literally need to believe the world is orderly and under control because the reality of random chance is too scary
They believe in conspiracies not because they truly believe the earth is flat or whatever, they might, but they are attracted to fringe beliefs for the desire for community. Or to make sense of the randomness of the world. For an uncomplicated answer for complicated problems. It’s a lot more complicated that people being kinda dumb.
I feel the problem with that mindset is that it implies that the government would have a direct benefit to denying the existence of aliens. When the reality is that defense spending would nearly double if proven true.
NASA is kind of in the same boat, once alien life is found, suddenly people are going to want research and collect data on the new life, which means their budget goes up too.
So there is a direct intensive to finding aliens from two places of government.
Then there is the personal benefits, you get to be the first human in history to discover aliens.
As an academic, your face will be in every history book titled “First contact.” You will be on every talk show across the US and abroad as it would be translated into multiple languages. You’d be famous and wealthy whether you wanted it or not.
So when I look at the argument that the government has a direct intensive to hide the truth, I don’t see a fair argument. Just people that assume the government has those intensives to hide from the public, when the reality is the opposite.
Agree with you. Finding actual extraterrestrial life would be a sure fire way to get a big budget increase. The issue here is that people who are intellectually inclined like this don’t think like this. It’s a couple steps too far ahead.
Where y’all from y’all don’t know black budgets?
I saw a UFO community post on Lemmy yesterday and they all agreed those were fake.