Zero sum game that requires my own death to achieve - seems a reasonable request compared to a request to not participate in the forcible birthing of billions of animals into exploitative confinement until they are killed at our convenience for eternity, or the unecessary trawling of trillions of them.
Or we can seek to achieve what is possible, and work out what isn’t over time. You describe a technical problem. That aside can you even empirically prove that more animals die in agricultural fields than in nature? I’m all in favor of reducing those deaths but is it actually any worse than if we let the existing fields reforest? I don’t see your point as analogous to my own concerns.
Interesting thoughts. I don’t agree with your argument. But I don’t want to fight about it. Either way mass food production involves more death than I’d like in all food production.
No one is. A lot of people who are preferring a plant based diet due to moral reasons are well aware of such “roadkill”.
Thing is, we’re not breeding them into existence. These deaths are accidental and if there were a technical solution to the problem everyone would be in favour of that. In the animal industry on the other hand everything is intentional. Both, the scale and the moral intentions are a completely different world there.
So, from the moral stand point of veganism: is it bad to kill animals? Yes. Is it worse to kill animals intentionally on an industrial scale, which could be prevented, than accidentally on a much smaller scale during plant farming where it currently can not be prevented? Absolutely, yes.
Ya. I don’t see the difference. Death is death. Intent matters not. If one option were to cause little death, I could see why someone would use death as an argument. As far as I can’t tell calorie for calorie vegetables cause more death in the period of growth and harvest.
Beef is obviously worse for the environment long term. Which one could argue matters more. But that is not the subject here.
There is no more a viable technical solution to eliminate death in mass scale vegetable production than there is in meat production. Whether it be the dream of lab grown meat, or magical land free pesticide free lab grown strawberries.
And 1.3 million people are killed by cars every year. It’s a fucking bloodbath. So driving a car is similar to intentionally murdering people, of course. Don’t pretend you are innocent if you drive a car.
No. That’s not what I was saying. I’m saying that when a cow dies it’s one death. When a field of the same volume in terms of nutrition is harvested it’s many deaths.
Beef is worse in the long run for the water and energy use, but not in terms of slaughter.
You are as pathetic as your trolling attempts. Please shut up.
Edit: fuck it, I realise that engaging you. Just gonna block you and move on. Have a nice day.
“please shut up!”
-the response of a child when faced with a situation that makes them uncomfortable
Two can play this game:
“Shut up” is also the sensible answer of adults when Christian zealots, nationalists and racists soapbox their shit.
Animal abuser
Thousands of animals are killed in every field of vegetables. Rodents, birds, insects. It’s a fucking bloodbath. Don’t pretend you are innocent.
Zero sum game that requires my own death to achieve - seems a reasonable request compared to a request to not participate in the forcible birthing of billions of animals into exploitative confinement until they are killed at our convenience for eternity, or the unecessary trawling of trillions of them.
Or we can seek to achieve what is possible, and work out what isn’t over time. You describe a technical problem. That aside can you even empirically prove that more animals die in agricultural fields than in nature? I’m all in favor of reducing those deaths but is it actually any worse than if we let the existing fields reforest? I don’t see your point as analogous to my own concerns.
Interesting thoughts. I don’t agree with your argument. But I don’t want to fight about it. Either way mass food production involves more death than I’d like in all food production.
No one is. A lot of people who are preferring a plant based diet due to moral reasons are well aware of such “roadkill”.
Thing is, we’re not breeding them into existence. These deaths are accidental and if there were a technical solution to the problem everyone would be in favour of that. In the animal industry on the other hand everything is intentional. Both, the scale and the moral intentions are a completely different world there.
So, from the moral stand point of veganism: is it bad to kill animals? Yes. Is it worse to kill animals intentionally on an industrial scale, which could be prevented, than accidentally on a much smaller scale during plant farming where it currently can not be prevented? Absolutely, yes.
Ya. I don’t see the difference. Death is death. Intent matters not. If one option were to cause little death, I could see why someone would use death as an argument. As far as I can’t tell calorie for calorie vegetables cause more death in the period of growth and harvest.
Beef is obviously worse for the environment long term. Which one could argue matters more. But that is not the subject here.
There is no more a viable technical solution to eliminate death in mass scale vegetable production than there is in meat production. Whether it be the dream of lab grown meat, or magical land free pesticide free lab grown strawberries.
And 1.3 million people are killed by cars every year. It’s a fucking bloodbath. So driving a car is similar to intentionally murdering people, of course. Don’t pretend you are innocent if you drive a car.
No. That’s not what I was saying. I’m saying that when a cow dies it’s one death. When a field of the same volume in terms of nutrition is harvested it’s many deaths.
Beef is worse in the long run for the water and energy use, but not in terms of slaughter.