The founding of America was a little rough but it’s amazing that they got as progressive as they did. Seeing as republicans nowadays support removing those fundamental rights that some old men laid out hundreds of years ago.
Edit: guys guys calm down. Yes, I know about the slavery stuff. I’m just talking about the amendment, stuff like the first amendment about free speech. States like Florida immediately come to mind because they’re trying to erase and change history.
I’m not going to pretend that not having borders is a solution to the problem, but I’m not going to pull the ladder up from the people looking for a better life, because that’s exactly what my ancestors did, and the first batch of Europeans weren’t exactly welcomed either.
When you put it that way, oh look it’s projection again. We can’t let these foreigners in because they’ll just murder us all… because that’s exactly what our ancestors did when they came here.
What I meant is that it’s an important historical event that the first settlers were welcomed. Not that this says anything about respect towards modern day first nations.
Much of what is taught about that historical event didn’t really happen, or was conflated together. No real evidence to suggest it’s proof of the settlers being welcomed any more than tolerance of a technologically superior group of people.
There was a brief moment where Europe was colonizing the Americas but hadn’t yet started up the slave trade and ensuing racial caste system, so yeah it was probably fine to be black in the Caribbean in like 1500 (or at least no worse than being a typical poor white person shipping off to the colonies at that point).
Many of our founding fathers were progressive. But the ones with the most power were just rich assholes. If I remember correctly, George Washington stopped Philadelphia or the state of PA from trying to abolish slavery. Many also wanted to aboliah slavery in 1776, and… that didn’t end up taking place.
The American political system was built to manage the contradiction of having 30% of the southern population being black slaves. It was designed to have a “democracy” where it would take 400 years from black people arriving as slaves to still being mass incarcerated and killed in random violence today.
You can’t accomplish that without having some veneer of democracy and fairness otherwise it would have been overthrown in a slave revolt in 1850 instead of being kept alive by false hope in the civil war.
They passed a law to stop slave importing that took effect decades in the future, and hoped shit-for-brains conservatives would naturally phase out slavery and avoid a civil war.
Whoops. Turns out we had to kill a bunch of traitors to get rid of slavery.
We never got rid of slavery. People like to ignore the full text of the 13th amendment: “…except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted”. States just started passing laws to invent new crimes to selectively enforce, and slavery lived on in the form of prison labor.
No, no, no. You just don’t understand the founding fathers right. They never wanted to give people fundamental rights, they wanted to make a proud patriotic America! /S.
(Why does my sarcasm feel less and less sarcastic these days?)
The founding of America was a little rough but it’s amazing that they got as progressive as they did. Seeing as republicans nowadays support removing those fundamental rights that some old men laid out hundreds of years ago.
Edit: guys guys calm down. Yes, I know about the slavery stuff. I’m just talking about the amendment, stuff like the first amendment about free speech. States like Florida immediately come to mind because they’re trying to erase and change history.
Yeah the indigenous people of this land would like to have a word.
They mean we got progressively less indigenous as we killed so so many of them.
Republicans: all migrants have to go home!
Indigenous: so when are you leaving?
I’m not going to pretend that not having borders is a solution to the problem, but I’m not going to pull the ladder up from the people looking for a better life, because that’s exactly what my ancestors did, and the first batch of Europeans weren’t exactly welcomed either.
Yeah, no shit? Genocidal colonialists weren’t welcomed?
When you put it that way, oh look it’s projection again. We can’t let these foreigners in because they’ll just murder us all… because that’s exactly what our ancestors did when they came here.
It really is projection, there’s a saying that racists are afraid of being treated the same way that racists treat their victims
Is that so? Don’t you Americans even have a holiday celebrating that the natives gave you food and stuff?
Americans have a holiday called Labor Day where service workers still have to work. I wouldn’t read much into it.
What I meant is that it’s an important historical event that the first settlers were welcomed. Not that this says anything about respect towards modern day first nations.
Much of what is taught about that historical event didn’t really happen, or was conflated together. No real evidence to suggest it’s proof of the settlers being welcomed any more than tolerance of a technologically superior group of people.
Counterpoint: Name a single year in the US’ history where it was safe to be black.
1618?
There was a brief moment where Europe was colonizing the Americas but hadn’t yet started up the slave trade and ensuing racial caste system, so yeah it was probably fine to be black in the Caribbean in like 1500 (or at least no worse than being a typical poor white person shipping off to the colonies at that point).
Many of our founding fathers were progressive. But the ones with the most power were just rich assholes. If I remember correctly, George Washington stopped Philadelphia or the state of PA from trying to abolish slavery. Many also wanted to aboliah slavery in 1776, and… that didn’t end up taking place.
The American political system was built to manage the contradiction of having 30% of the southern population being black slaves. It was designed to have a “democracy” where it would take 400 years from black people arriving as slaves to still being mass incarcerated and killed in random violence today.
You can’t accomplish that without having some veneer of democracy and fairness otherwise it would have been overthrown in a slave revolt in 1850 instead of being kept alive by false hope in the civil war.
They passed a law to stop slave importing that took effect decades in the future, and hoped shit-for-brains conservatives would naturally phase out slavery and avoid a civil war.
Whoops. Turns out we had to kill a bunch of traitors to get rid of slavery.
We never got rid of slavery. People like to ignore the full text of the 13th amendment: “…except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted”. States just started passing laws to invent new crimes to selectively enforce, and slavery lived on in the form of prison labor.
Can we do the same to get rid of racism?
No, no, no. You just don’t understand the founding fathers right. They never wanted to give people fundamental rights, they wanted to make a proud patriotic America! /S.
(Why does my sarcasm feel less and less sarcastic these days?)