• aesthelete@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    If you cannot fight their words with your words that’s your problem not theirs.

    People pretend like some perfect argument can defeat Nazis. You cannot fight gut emotions like fear, dread, and hatred with “reasonable” words and “rational” thought.

    People aren’t rational, and they are easily pursuaded by things other than “the best possible idea selected by an objective evaluation of all available ideas from the marketplace of ideas”.

    People aren’t robots, hatred and fear lean into their base emotions. It’s partially why cults exist.

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      1 year ago

      There’s never really a perfect argument because we’re not beholden to rationality. Utilitarianism comes after treating people well for me, so even if an action would result in a better outcome I may find it unethical.

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          1 year ago

          Inaction to you might be me choosing a method I think is ethical but isn’t as effective as well.

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            You might have deluded yourself into thinking fence sitting or becoming a bystander is more ethical but it’s often not.

            It’s usually the easier choice and requires the least amount of effort and immediate danger, which is why most choose it, but that is not at all the same thing as ethical.

            If you walk away from the trolley lever, that’s still a choice and doesn’t save you from the dilemma.

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              It’s not fence sitting. I have a very clear ethical position and I’ll argue for it vociferously.

              And the closest to moral answer is to kill the one person, but jump in front of the train myself. I don’t see much utility in such an extreme example.

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                I have a very clear ethical position and I’ll argue for it vociferously.

                I think we’ve gotten a little vague here.

                What’s your “ethical position”? Is it to platform Nazis?