• Eheran@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    I think the question is why/how the sexual orientation is relevant. The same as skin color etc, that seems irrelevant to me.

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      In this specific case what makes the discovery of a grandaughter of the author a massive surprise and plot twist is that her father and only child of the author was gay. Had he not been so, expectations on the existance of a living descendant of the author might have been different.

      That’s what makes his sexual orientation be relevant in this case: it explains why nobody expected there would be living descendants of the author and why her discovery was such a massive plot twist.

      Had her father been, for example, a catolic priest (quite independently of sexual orientation), that information would’ve been relevant in just the same way and for the same reasons.

      Whilst I agree that people’s sexual orientation is irrelevant in most stories that aren’t about romance (and no matter which way it goes, by the way), in this specific case it absolutelly is relevant to explain the behaviour and expectations of other participants in the story up to the point when the grandaughter was discovered.

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        1 year ago

        Straight people often (don’t) have children. Assuming that it must be this or that, forever, is absurd.

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          It’s about the expectations about the likelihood of having descendants that the knowledge that the man was gay create in everybody else, especially was this was quite some time ago.

          (People naturally assume that gay men are far less likely to have children than straight men, for obvious reasons which I assume I do not need to explain to you)

          Such expectations then fed into expectations about the future of the DC Universe.

          All this makes the discovery that people were wrong in their expectations a pivotal and thus key element in the whole story.

          I’ll make it easier for you: imagine that the man was a catolic priest rather than gay, and then imagine that the story teller would have to try and work the story around not mentioning that piece of information because some people felt that there should be no mention of “catolicism”. Think just how senseless the story would be without it (most of it would make no sense for the audience because they wouldn’t understand people’s expectation that he had no childen).

          If it would make no sense for the story-teller to refrain from mentioning a specific christian denomination when it was key to the story, why would it make sense for the story-teller to refrain from mentioning a specific sexual orientation which is key to the story?!

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            1 year ago

            For that specific reason… alright. Makes sense to mention it. Sadly, often it is not mentioned for such a reason. Which is what made me comment here, even tho in this case, it actually does make sense. Sorry for the confusion.

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          I’d like to compare that percentage to the amount of gay men that have children without adoption. Something tells me that all the butt fucking I do isn’t gonna lead me to have a child accidentally. But maybe I’ve been having gay sex all wrong.

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      In America, race and sexuality being irrelevant is a privilege of straight white men. When someone has done you violence because of who you are, you’ll spend every second of the rest of your life with who you are and how likely the people around you are to try to kill you over it in the forefront of your mind. When I, as a queer person, walk into a room I immediately sort everyone in the room into threats, allies, and people who will just stand off to the side because experience has taught me that if I don’t some people will beat the shit out of me and others will tell me that I deserve it for “being a f*g about things”. Ask your black friend, or your gay friend, or your woman friend. I guarantee you every one of them is more on guard than you because race, gender and sexual orientation will never be irrelevant to them.

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        That’s fucking terrible. And another reason not to make something like that public, when it is that prone to be used against that person.

        The last time I was bullied and attacked was back in school. Kids don’t need any reason to be hostile, it could be the angle of your eyebrow.