Again, “if things were different they’d be different” is still an asinine argument.
Is being talked over by someone without any personal experience in what it’s like to be on the receiving end of a trans joke how you would want to be treated if you were trans?
Things do not happen in a vacuum. A trans person making a joke about a cis person, even a bigoted one, isn’t the same as a cis person making a joke about a trans person. A cis person doesn’t have to worry about being listened to or believed if they talk about how uncomfortable a trans person made them, and in fact there are entire news cycles dedicated to this against trans people for existing in public. They have contributed to hate crimes and murders of trans people.
When jokes about cis men with fragile masculinity have that context I will prioritize the feelings of people who think it’s unfair trans people get to make jokes about cis men.
I don’t want this to turn into a discussion if and how far “punching up” has to be supported or not, so perhaps this might give you some perspective about how I think, since you went into attack mode. I get that you might have perceived me as confrontational, yet I’m not. I may have different views on some things, but that doesn’t make me your opponent.
And for the record: “Flipping the script” as @Franzia called it is the only case where I see value in “punching up, not down”, even if I dislike any “us vs them” punching in general.
I am frustrated as a trans person because you came into a trans space, on a trans run server, to complain about how a meme wasn’t nice enough in a jokey criticism of cis men’s fragile masculinity. It shows you have an ignorance of what it is like to be trans right now in the current political climate, both in the US and Europe, and you are not listening to trans people trying to explain to you why this is not the same as a racist joke.
Trying to remove all context and dissect it and weigh it like a specimen to be analyzed is not a virtue. It doesn’t make you smarter or more fair, it just makes you blind to the actual people and communities this meme is aimed at.
Again, “if things were different they’d be different” is still an asinine argument.
Is being talked over by someone without any personal experience in what it’s like to be on the receiving end of a trans joke how you would want to be treated if you were trans?
Things do not happen in a vacuum. A trans person making a joke about a cis person, even a bigoted one, isn’t the same as a cis person making a joke about a trans person. A cis person doesn’t have to worry about being listened to or believed if they talk about how uncomfortable a trans person made them, and in fact there are entire news cycles dedicated to this against trans people for existing in public. They have contributed to hate crimes and murders of trans people.
When jokes about cis men with fragile masculinity have that context I will prioritize the feelings of people who think it’s unfair trans people get to make jokes about cis men.
I don’t want this to turn into a discussion if and how far “punching up” has to be supported or not, so perhaps this might give you some perspective about how I think, since you went into attack mode. I get that you might have perceived me as confrontational, yet I’m not. I may have different views on some things, but that doesn’t make me your opponent.
And for the record: “Flipping the script” as @Franzia called it is the only case where I see value in “punching up, not down”, even if I dislike any “us vs them” punching in general.
I am frustrated as a trans person because you came into a trans space, on a trans run server, to complain about how a meme wasn’t nice enough in a jokey criticism of cis men’s fragile masculinity. It shows you have an ignorance of what it is like to be trans right now in the current political climate, both in the US and Europe, and you are not listening to trans people trying to explain to you why this is not the same as a racist joke.
Trying to remove all context and dissect it and weigh it like a specimen to be analyzed is not a virtue. It doesn’t make you smarter or more fair, it just makes you blind to the actual people and communities this meme is aimed at.