If I am not mistaken the tradeoff is losing add-ons but being able to install other services.

So… what is your experience? Are add-ons useful/common for your use case?

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    I’m running the docker version as I’m also using the rpi for other things, like imageview and pi hole. I don’t really miss addons, the only annoying thing is that most documentation assumes you’re running ha os.

    But if you don’t plan to use it for anything else than HA, I’d go for HA OS.

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    You can go supervised! You still have most of the operating system available to your needs and you can still use add-ons. I use it for years and it works like a charm

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    I run my own a VM.

    I was sceptical about running in a OS that I can’t run my normal updates and automations on but HA OS has been rock solid and easy. Plus you get a few more features

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      I second that, I just put it in a VM on my proxmox host. zero issues so far.

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    HA OS is the way to go.

    You don’t want to have to think about it. HA OS just works. You set it up and let it run.

    There’s no sense in trying to kerfuffle other things into it. You don’t want to do too much on the Pi anyway because it’ll lower the responsiveness of Home Assistant slightly. If you want a server that does things, buy a separate NAS and run it alongside HA OS.

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      This is what I do with a Pi running HAOS and a Synology ds920+ running backups and everything else. It’s been rock solid, gives me a decent backup solution, my home automation is stable and responsive and no-fuss, and plenty of options for tinkering. Highly recommend.

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    I recommend HA OS. What happened to me is that I used docker, got everything set up how I liked it, then had to move over to HA OS when I needed a specific add on and didn’t have any other solution.

    If you don’t already have a plan for other services, might not make sense to use docker, too.

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      What add on was that? HA OS add ons are simply docker containers themselves- you should have been able to create it outside of HA OS just fine.

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    home assistant in docker is definitely not for the feint of heart! the networking requirements are actually quite intense, and really don’t map well to virtual networks like dockers uses

    … among other issues

    HAOS on a pi; i’ve tried the docker thing time and time again, and the next chance i get in blowing it all away and starting on real hardware again

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    I used a ton of AddOns, really practical because they also embed themselves easily into the rest of Home Assistant. I would go for the HA OS. But I also do wish there was a AddOn to install random docker images.

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    Its not super hard to manually set up with docker or podman but you have to deal with integrating and updating the add-ons yourself. I ran out of CPU on a pi4 (due to a buggy websocket client in the end) and moved to a small form factor x86_64 server under Rocky. I ran manually using just containers (podman in this case) and it worked fine but integrating and updating the equivalent of add-ons was a lot of manual plumbing work that I don’t find much fun anymore.

    I switched back to hassos, but under KVM. This for me is the best of both worlds: I get the fully managed/integrated work of Frenck and friends for HA and can still access and manage the machine normally (and use it for other services).

    There’s nothing remotely realtime about the python code in the core HA, it works well in a reasonbly provisioned VM (4 cores, 8G ram) backed by a good SSD. There is some religion in the community about not using VM’s: it is a layer of complexity and I understand why folks on discord don’t want to help people with it, but technically it works well for this class of app.

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    Running it on a bare Pi, HAOS, imho you get the most performance, and support if it goes wrong.

    Running on more powerful hardware (x64 host), VM all the way. It’s so much easier when you can snapshot, move VMs around, and split out components when needed.

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    @unknowing8343

    I used the fanciest possible setup with HA running in a Kubernetes cluster and its helper services likewise, but that’s severe overkill for most people unless they’ve got compute to burn and need/want/enjoy customizing the heck out of everything.

    A Pi, even a Pi 4, isn’t compute to burn but also isn’t expensive enough to need other services on it to justify it. For what it’s worth, I’d suggest HA OS and dedicating the Pi to it.

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    I’ve run both, and the OS version is much more stable and easier to keep running. Whether you use an rpi or a VM, use the dedicated OS and save yourself the heartache of trying to get your hardware working with docker.

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    Home assistant OS is also my recommendation. Add-ons are pretty important IMO. Plus for something I am planning to try and have 100% uptime and controlling my home smart devices I don’t want it containerized and at the mercy of docker.

    Currently using 15 add-ons myself.

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      Add ons are docker containers. The main advantage of HA OS is that the add on docker images are configured for you vs you having to edit a few parameters.

      Also, there isn’t really any inherent stability difference between HA OS and docker. If anything, i’d give the slight nod to docker running on a stable Linux flavor, but YMMV. I’ve been running the HA docker via Unraid for years alongside ~30 other docker “add ons” (many have nothing to do with HA) without any stability issues.