It will survive, it always does, but it will lose a chunk of users.
Reddit went corporate a long time ago, and the only reason I ever went there was because I had RIF on my phone. Now I don’t, so I won’t, and I’m sure there are many like me.
But if they survived all their other controversies there isn’t any reason to think they won’t survive this one too.
Sad to say… Most people don’t care, they just consume.
I’m not sure this is true. Social media is very temporary - even thought people feel a sense of permanence it is false. It’s today’s content people consume, today’s users that matters. While there is a lot of interesting old content on reddit, the vast majority of people are there for the new.
So when a social media site goes into decline, it can be a rapid downward spiral. Digg has been mentioned here, but also MySpace was by far the biggest social media platform in its day - it imploded in less than a year or two when Facebook came alone. Tumblr was a big blogggin site until it started first forcing people to it’s app, and then outright banned adult content - it imploded almost immediately and people moved on to Twitter and Reddit with that content.
Reddit mistake is they did not value what they had - users generating content, and users moderating themselves. Reddit is nothing more than a host, but they see the content as their property to monetise. Today is not the first step on their own decline, but it will certainly accelerate it.
I suspect the fediverse will be the long term solution. This first major wave of migration brings in the early adopters, including crucially people who are interested in coding and development which will benefit Kbin and Lemmy. Further waves of users will follow and find more mature established communities when they arrives. I expect the next big battle to be over adult content - advertisers are already nervous about it with it’s use in protests, and the simplest solution is to ban it. Even if reddit reversed it’s course on the API, I think the damage is done and the course is decline to irrelevance.
But Reddit biggest mistake around the API is not the API itself; you’re right most users won’t care. But it’s big mistake is losing the users who care - they are the power users, the technically savvy users, the early adopters. Reddit big mistake is it has encouraged those people to leave and help develop it’s competitor and alternative. That is why this has been so important and that is why I think reddit is probably not salvageable now.
Last time someone tried to compete with reddit it was single handed and closed - Vo.at. Now it’s open source, collaborative and decentralised.
Yeah I’m with you. Core reddit has been a disaster for a long time. I happily left a long time ago and eventually came back as 3rd party apps allowed me to have s completely different experience on mobile and I could finally stop using desktop (though res always lively fondly in my heart).
I’m moving away from Reddit for a least a while too see how things begin to unfold. Will try Lemmy, too, and see if it grows enough to be worthwhile and have the momentary to build some sort of critical mass offer time. Seeing some major said move here (Boost, for me) will be awesome.
But I don’t expect reddit to disappear. As was said, for a ton of people, the 3rd party so exodus is not impactful, if they’re even aware of it.
I’d guess Reddit continues for a long time, but becomes even more diluted than it has since the tencent investments and the huge leave-facebook migration from a few years ago.
It will survive, it always does, but it will lose a chunk of users.
Reddit went corporate a long time ago, and the only reason I ever went there was because I had RIF on my phone. Now I don’t, so I won’t, and I’m sure there are many like me.
But if they survived all their other controversies there isn’t any reason to think they won’t survive this one too.
Sad to say… Most people don’t care, they just consume.
I’m not sure this is true. Social media is very temporary - even thought people feel a sense of permanence it is false. It’s today’s content people consume, today’s users that matters. While there is a lot of interesting old content on reddit, the vast majority of people are there for the new.
So when a social media site goes into decline, it can be a rapid downward spiral. Digg has been mentioned here, but also MySpace was by far the biggest social media platform in its day - it imploded in less than a year or two when Facebook came alone. Tumblr was a big blogggin site until it started first forcing people to it’s app, and then outright banned adult content - it imploded almost immediately and people moved on to Twitter and Reddit with that content.
Reddit mistake is they did not value what they had - users generating content, and users moderating themselves. Reddit is nothing more than a host, but they see the content as their property to monetise. Today is not the first step on their own decline, but it will certainly accelerate it.
I suspect the fediverse will be the long term solution. This first major wave of migration brings in the early adopters, including crucially people who are interested in coding and development which will benefit Kbin and Lemmy. Further waves of users will follow and find more mature established communities when they arrives. I expect the next big battle to be over adult content - advertisers are already nervous about it with it’s use in protests, and the simplest solution is to ban it. Even if reddit reversed it’s course on the API, I think the damage is done and the course is decline to irrelevance.
But Reddit biggest mistake around the API is not the API itself; you’re right most users won’t care. But it’s big mistake is losing the users who care - they are the power users, the technically savvy users, the early adopters. Reddit big mistake is it has encouraged those people to leave and help develop it’s competitor and alternative. That is why this has been so important and that is why I think reddit is probably not salvageable now.
Last time someone tried to compete with reddit it was single handed and closed - Vo.at. Now it’s open source, collaborative and decentralised.
Yeah I’m with you. Core reddit has been a disaster for a long time. I happily left a long time ago and eventually came back as 3rd party apps allowed me to have s completely different experience on mobile and I could finally stop using desktop (though res always lively fondly in my heart).
I’m moving away from Reddit for a least a while too see how things begin to unfold. Will try Lemmy, too, and see if it grows enough to be worthwhile and have the momentary to build some sort of critical mass offer time. Seeing some major said move here (Boost, for me) will be awesome.
But I don’t expect reddit to disappear. As was said, for a ton of people, the 3rd party so exodus is not impactful, if they’re even aware of it.
I’d guess Reddit continues for a long time, but becomes even more diluted than it has since the tencent investments and the huge leave-facebook migration from a few years ago.