That these riots spread to Brussels is even more absurd
No it’s not. The police in Brussels have long had problems with racism in their ranks (and the behaviour that comes with that), so it makes a lot of sense that this struck a nerve with a lot of people in Brussels
Also, on the riots having no direction or clear goal: fucking duh, they’re riots. But as MLK put it: “A riot is the language of the unheard.” These communities often have to take it on the chin until it reaches a breaking point, and then stuff like this happens. Does that mean it’s entirely excusable? Not necessarily. But it does mean you’re missing the point when spouting platitudes about this not being the most effective method of activism. You’re complaining that boiling water can’t properly canalise itself, because you’re imagining that’s what you would do in all your wisdom.
I don’t think it is a platitude to expect people to act in a rational and non violent way (I actually consider that to be the bare minimum expected from anyone). This is irrational violence and it’s inexcusable (your platitudes do not excuse it) and the result is simple, political forces promising more power to the police will become stronger because most people don’t buy those platitudes of yours nor this absurd violence that destroys monuments in honor of Shoa victims or entire libraries.
…of course it’s not the politically optimal move, but it’s still understandable. You just sound like a sheltered wanker who’s trying his best to deliberately not understand how riots come to be so you can completely dismiss where the rioters are coming from.
Oh right, according to you they’re coming from the segregated communities of southern US in the 60s, wasn’t it that your totally not abusive comparison?
I think the one who sounds like a sheltered/spoiled guy here it’s you. Clearly you don’t fear being a direct or indirect victim of these riots. I fear both.
It wasn’t me personalizing the debate. But since we’re there I do fear being a victim of this violence, as I live in one of the cities affected by it, and I do fear the right wing turn this will provoke. People like you, comfortably justifying this nonsense from their sofa, are part of the problem and I’m quite sure you’re not personally worried with a far right government coming to power. You should be though.
I understand you’re afraid to be a victim of this violence. I still disagree with your takes here, and you clearly aren’t arguing in good faith.
People like you, comfortably justifying this nonsense
I explicitly said it wasn’t necessarily justified, but that it was understandable and logical nonetheless.
I’m quite sure you’re not personally worried with a far right government coming to power
I very much am. But it’s possible to simultaneously be worried about how right wingers will twist this while also acknowledging this reaction makes sense looking at the bigger picture.
No it’s not. The police in Brussels have long had problems with racism in their ranks (and the behaviour that comes with that), so it makes a lot of sense that this struck a nerve with a lot of people in Brussels
Also, on the riots having no direction or clear goal: fucking duh, they’re riots. But as MLK put it: “A riot is the language of the unheard.” These communities often have to take it on the chin until it reaches a breaking point, and then stuff like this happens. Does that mean it’s entirely excusable? Not necessarily. But it does mean you’re missing the point when spouting platitudes about this not being the most effective method of activism. You’re complaining that boiling water can’t properly canalise itself, because you’re imagining that’s what you would do in all your wisdom.
I don’t think it is a platitude to expect people to act in a rational and non violent way (I actually consider that to be the bare minimum expected from anyone). This is irrational violence and it’s inexcusable (your platitudes do not excuse it) and the result is simple, political forces promising more power to the police will become stronger because most people don’t buy those platitudes of yours nor this absurd violence that destroys monuments in honor of Shoa victims or entire libraries.
…of course it’s not the politically optimal move, but it’s still understandable. You just sound like a sheltered wanker who’s trying his best to deliberately not understand how riots come to be so you can completely dismiss where the rioters are coming from.
Oh right, according to you they’re coming from the segregated communities of southern US in the 60s, wasn’t it that your totally not abusive comparison?
I think the one who sounds like a sheltered/spoiled guy here it’s you. Clearly you don’t fear being a direct or indirect victim of these riots. I fear both.
What the fuck are you on about? You have to be being dense on purpose now.
Says the guy that called me a wanker from the confort of his shelter
What does that have to do with anything?
It wasn’t me personalizing the debate. But since we’re there I do fear being a victim of this violence, as I live in one of the cities affected by it, and I do fear the right wing turn this will provoke. People like you, comfortably justifying this nonsense from their sofa, are part of the problem and I’m quite sure you’re not personally worried with a far right government coming to power. You should be though.
I understand you’re afraid to be a victim of this violence. I still disagree with your takes here, and you clearly aren’t arguing in good faith.
I explicitly said it wasn’t necessarily justified, but that it was understandable and logical nonetheless.
I very much am. But it’s possible to simultaneously be worried about how right wingers will twist this while also acknowledging this reaction makes sense looking at the bigger picture.