• @[email protected]
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    659 months ago

    This is a highly concerning allegation, and it does explain some interesting results I’ve noticed lately. I’ve wondered why, especially when searching for products, an expected result isn’t there unless I invoke it by name. I’d chalked it up to their competition having more mindshare and thus a higher page rank score. Now I’m not so sure.

    Worse, it somewhat supports claims that the far-right has been making, although those claims still completely miss the mark.

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        139 months ago

        I think the claims I’ve heard irl are something along the lines of “can’t trust Google search results, they’re censoring 'em!” I figure the things they’re mad Google “censors” are probably literal or borderline fascist content - and I also tend to assume they’re probably misusing the word censor. I think the tenuous connection here is just that yeah Google is probably doing some shady stuff with their search results.

        • @[email protected]
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          79 months ago

          Yeah, pretty much this. A lot are upset that when you Google for something like vaccine safety, your top results are things like the CDC and the WHO instead of their favorite Bigfoot hunter conspiracy theorist.

          And for some reason, they all seem to act like there’s an actual person on the other side, individually restricting results.

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    I can’t say I don’t use Google as I own an unrooted pixel on the Fi network but I’ve done what I’m able to lessen the information given to them by stopping the use of the search engine, browser and sandboxing any Google pages in my FF browser. It started bothering me how much I was relying on one company for nearly everything online.

    My next phone will likely be rooted and running a different OS.

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      Pixel is still one of the best options overall despite other Google enshittification. There are plenty of ways to move away from Google defaults without changing the OS. If that’s not enough, you’d still benefit from their software support. Third party OSes like LineageOS and Graphene can use Google’s updated sources and binary blobs for driving the hardware during the same 5-7 year support lifespan. As a result those OSes should be able to run securely on a Pixel at least till the end of its official support span.

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      49 months ago

      Rooting can harm the security of your device, significantly.

      I understand you’re wanting to root for privacy reasons, and I’m not saying you should never root, just understand the risks.

      Instead, I’d suggest keeping your Pixel and installing GrapheneOS.

      Or, find another phone that is supported by DivestOS.

      Both of those ROMs are privacy and security hardened and relock your bootloader for a secure boot.

      • lemmyvore
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        139 months ago

        Rooting can harm the security of your device, significantly.

        Why is that? On a rooted device you still benefit from Google scanning installed apk, and root access is protected by an explicit accept dialog.

        It’s the exact same setup as UAC on Windows or the admin prompts on Linux and Mac.

        • @[email protected]OP
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          59 months ago

          The rooting process itself often involves running an exploit and trusting whoever wrote the rooting tool not to use that exploit to do anything undisclosed. If you wanted to install an undetectable rootkit, slipping something into such a tool wouldn’t be a bad way to do it.

          • lemmyvore
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            19 months ago

            The rooting process itself often involves running an exploit

            It most certainly does not. Exploits were used a decade ago, nowadays you unlock the bootloader using a manufacturer-provided key. And regardless of the key you need physical access to the device and rebooting into a special runtime.

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          You just answered your own question. How many users click approve without thinking? How many install Xposed modules that intentionally, or unintentionally, create security issues?

          I didn’t say rooting will break your security, just that it can. Rooting exponentially increasing the attack surface, which for some users isn’t a concern, but for your average user, it probably should be.

          In this case, this person wanted to increase his privacy, which is why I recommended what I did.

          Also, FWIW, there’s a reason why GrapheneOS and DivestOS specifically design their ROMS to NOT be rooted and to RELOCK the bootloader.

          • lemmyvore
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            Saying “rooting can harm the security of your device significantly” is like saying “crossing the street exposes you to mortal danger”. It’s technically true but fails to take into consideration a huge amount of factors, to the point it loses all meaning. Either qualify your statements or refrain from making such generic ones.

            You just answered your own question. How many users click approve without thinking? How many install Xposed modules that intentionally, or unintentionally, create security issues?

            You do realize that most of the Internet runs on servers where people have admin access? And there’s no shortage of attacks against machines on the Internt. If they can manage to function under these conditions I think my phone will also be fine.

    • WashedOver
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      I’m pretty reliant on a couple of big providers I find. Usually Amazon is my first search stop then Google. I find I need to disable my ad blockers to be able to use the sponsored links. I often am searching for a solution product not a specific item so I’m curious about the options. Then I narrow down into specific items which Google does a pretty good job of I find for me.

      I was an early Google adopter so I’ve been using Google for a lot of things over the years.

      I often use search within Google Maps to find locations hours, reviews on a experience, and a location or business’ website.

      I’ve recently switched to Duck Duck Go and FF and I find it might be a familiarity to the types of localized results I miss as I’m still pretty plugged into the Google eco system and duck duck go doesn’t seem to hit the mark as closely for me.

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      I’m on android and how I protect myself in this phones environment is:

      VPN - Mullvad is my go to

      App Cloner - Obfuscate and scramble my GPS, Wifi, Phone Model, Google Analytics ID, and MAC address on isolated apps.

      Brave Browser- Set to delete cookies, history, ect when it closes

      Last Pass - So the above is easier to regain access to accounts

      • @[email protected]
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        109 months ago

        You’re exactly right. Given the circles we run in it’s easy to forget the rest of the world just doesn’t give a shit about any of this.

      • @ramblinguy
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        No way any of my friends would pay 10 bucks a month for kagi, so yeah most people just don’t care enough or search enough to want to look into alternatives

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              39 months ago

              Non-techie people do not even know what that is, or what you’re talking about.

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                That’s not true tho. All the techies i know dont use ecosia and similar random search engines that they saw in some ad somewhere