• Filthmontane@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    The “ethnic group” in question are arrested because they’re associated with Turkistan Movement. A terrorist organization that believes Xinjiang belongs to Turkistan. While members of this terrorist organization are Uygher Muslims, they also attack Uygher Muslims and are arrested by Xinjiang police, which employ Uygher Muslims. Half of the region is Uygher and they’re trying to handle a terrorist situation.

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      It’s a percentage of the total population. That’s genocide not justice. When the state rounds up roughly 10% of a population it isn’t confronting terrorism it’s being imperialistic.

      The fact that Turkic people don’t want to be part of a Chinese state shouldn’t be a surprise given China’s imperialistic tendencies.

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        If 10% of the population wants to leave and 90% wants to stay, how is that imperialism? The Taliban are a small portion of the population, so they deserve to control everyone else in the country? Listen to your own logic.

        Your logic is also based on a dumb idea. There’s 683 prisons in China, 380 of them are in Xinjiang. If over half of the prisons in all of China are in Xinjiang, then it’s really obvious that there’s going to be a large prison population in Xinjiang.

        In the US there’s 1,677 prisons and 1.2 million inmates. The state with the most prisons is Texas with 313. China has 1.7 million inmates and more than half of them are in a region twice the size of Texas and roughly the same population. So if a country with 1.4 billion people keeps 55% the 1.7 million inmates they have in one single region with 25 million people, it stands to reason that a large portion of that regions population will be prisoners. The US just spreads out its prison population more as it doesn’t have a giant desert to put them all in.

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          10% didn’t want to leave that’s the number the Chinese rounded up into concentration camps to “reeducate” aka torture them.

          The fact is China has so many prisons there because they have a lot of Uighur in concentration camps. That’s the issue we are discussing not the non-Uighur Chinese prisoners that are also sent there. RQ

          Your whataboutism is a bullshit dodge. The fact that America has issues with imprisoning has nothing to do with the Chinese Communist Party’s racist imperialist genocide of the Uighur.

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            It’s not whataboutism, it’s a comparison of data between one super power and another. So, if China has 1.7 million inmates, than that means roughly 1 million are Uyghers, since that’s around 55% of the Chinese prison population. Which means if you subtract the Uyghers in prison from the rest of the inmate population is the other 700,000 non-Uygher inmates. This means that you are too accept that China, a country of 1.4 billion people, only has 700,000 prisoners not related to the genocide. So you’re saying, if it weren’t for this Uygher genocide, China, with 1.4 billion people, only has a 700,000 person inmate population? Just for comparison, remember that the US has 332 million people and 1.2 million inmates. That’s 1 in 2000 people in China are in prisons (when adjusted for the genocide) in comparison to the 1 in 276 Americans in prison. Does that sound right to you?

            A country with 1.4 billion people and a 1.7 million inmates population means every 1 in 823 people are in prison. A reasonable number that does not reflect the existence of a massive genocide or a huge labor camp population. To compare this data to a real genocide, Nazi Germany had roughly 70 million citizens and 1.65 million prisoners, which brings the prison population to 1 in 42. The statistics just don’t match up to a population being genocided.

            That all being said, where’s any legitimate photo evidence? There’s pictures of people protesting waving flags for Turkistan. Sure. I’m not arguing that some of the people want to be part of Turkistan. There’s pictures of people being arrested. Yes. All wearing the colors of Turkistan. Likely Turkistan Movement agitators, since agitators like wearing uniforms. And you can find people holding up signs, in English for some reason. No signs with mandarin on them confusingly enough. Just signs in English. I feel like it would be just as suspicious if we saw a bunch of protesters in front of the white house with signs in Mandarin.

            Every bit of information you’ve provided is based purely on rhetoric and assumptions. The US is just butthurt because the belt and road initiative is actually working by bringing tourism into Xinjiang and it’s going to expose the lack of a genocide while stabilizing the region’s economy.