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    I’m referring to the millions of people who live where there is no possibility of public transit because the population density is way too low. I’m all in favor of making cities car-free zones, but outside of major population centers, the quickest way to help the environment is to switch to electric vehicles.

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      Even small towns should be designed without a car being essential unless you live on the outskirts/in the country.

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      If we can afford roads for everyone to drive on we can afford mass transit to replace it.

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          We could run a smaller vehicle if there are only ever two riders that need the service, or avoid having a route when there are too few people.

          School districts can sort out how to move small numbers of children spread out in rural areas, the same can be done for any population. It also means that there might be some area that don’t have enough mass for mass transit.

          But right now we have a lot of places with plenty of mass that just refuse to believe that mass transit can be a solution because of decades of car company propaganda.

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            Not to mention having public transit would most likely increase the population density of areas and thus making the public transport even more useful

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              And public transit actually scales in a productive manner, instead of “just one more lane, bro, I swear” bullshit.

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      There’s actually a few places that’s been exploring public transit for rural areas.

      The quickest way to help the environment is to lessen car dependence.

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        I think you and I are using different definitions of “quickest”. Lessening car dependence in the US will take years. People can drive electric today.

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          As this meme shows, driving electrically does very little in the grand scheme of things, especially if you burned fossil fuels to generate that energy. Theres also the infrastructure required for EVs which is prioritized in more urban areas than rural ones. Getting people to switch to electric now while tricking them into thinking it is completely green will do more to slow the shift away from car dependancy in my opinion.

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          In those big money “glorified suburb white flight” ““rural”” areas maybe, otherwise it’s laughable to think they can afford a functional electric car that won’t die or need a prohibitively expensive battery replacement in two years OR find somewhere to charge in their bfe town an hour from home.

          Meanwhile, if you’re obsessed with actions doable “today,” you could get a fleet of vehicles up and running tomorrow to offer transit services to people in need. 🤷

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      the quickest way to help the environment is to switch to electric vehicles.

      When you buy an EV, it’s not a replacement. Your old car is shipped to Africa where it runs for several more decades. So you’re just adding another harmful car to the planet.

      The only wise move AFAICT is to convert your car to an EV & then perhaps use the engine to build a backup power generator for your home. But this won’t happen because suburban car drivers are addicted to convenience and nice new things. They are happy to have this false ecology excuse to buy a new car.