A British citizen is among dozens of festival attendees who are missing, kidnapped or presumed dead

The Israeli rescue service Zaka says its paramedics removed more than 260 bodies from a music festival that came under attack by Hamas militants.

The total figure of bodies found is expected to be higher, as other paramedic teams were also working in the area and Zaka added that the bodies “haven’t all been collected yet”.

Early on Saturday morning, Hamas targeted Nova music festival, a techno rave in the desert near the border with Gaza.

Videos shared on social media and by Israeli news outlets showed dozens of festival-goers running through an open field as gunshots rang out. Many hid in nearby fruit orchards or were gunned down as they fled.

  • falconhoof@artemis.camp
    12611·
    1 year ago

    We shouldn’t conflate the people of Isreal with the extremist State of Isreal, we shouldn’t conflate the people of Palestine with Hamas. Atrocities have been committed on both sides and each one is an atrocity, but the fact remains that the Palestinian people are living under an apartheid and therefore should be supported despite acts committed by extremists in it’s name. This situation shouldn’t be reduced to a simplistic one-sided team sport. Palestine still needs liberating.

    • 5BC2E7@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2847·
      1 year ago

      It’s difficult to not conflate them with hammas when 80% supprts them and celebrated the attack

        • GorilladrumsEnglish
          21·
          1 year ago

          Try to make peace with my neighbors and not commit terrorist attacks against innocent civilians?

          • Solar Bear@slrpnk.netEnglish
            13·
            1 year ago

            It’s pretty hard to make peace with people who are literally taking your homes. Perhaps if that wasn’t happening, it would become a lot easier to make peace.

            • GorilladrumsEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              You can’t justify it. There’s no excuse for anybody to ever commit pure evil terrorist attacks that intentionally target civilians.

              • Solar Bear@slrpnk.netEnglish
                1·
                1 year ago

                Understanding it isn’t justifying it. Understanding it is how you prevent it from happening again.

          • Solar Bear@slrpnk.netEnglish
            62·
            1 year ago

            You expect me to believe you would simply leave behind the place you were born and all of your loved ones?

            • 5BC2E7@lemmy.worldEnglish
              58·
              1 year ago

              Already did so actually and it wasn’t even comparable to the situation in gaza so yes , I would definitely leave … I don’t care if you don’t believe me.

              Edit: actually you can search my comments from before the recent attacks and find a few that support the fact i am an expatriate.

              • Solar Bear@slrpnk.netEnglish
                42·
                1 year ago

                Fair enough. From what country are you a refugee, if you don’t mind me asking?

                • 5BC2E7@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  46·
                  1 year ago

                  I’ll get back to you once you dismiss the fantasy version of the discussion we are having and ask a question in line with what we have actually said

                  edit: in case you are really confused, you said you didn’t believe I could leave , no one said i am a refugee…

          • dx1@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            My source is a comprehensive poll covering a bunch of different topics. Most centrally:

            If new parliamentary elections were held today with the participation of all political forces that participated in the 2006 elections, 64% say they would participate in them, and among these participants, Fateh receives 36%, Hamas’ Change and Reform 34%, all other lists combined 9%, and 21% say they have not yet decided whom they will vote for. Three months ago, vote for Hamas stood at 34% and Fatah at 33%. Vote for Hamas in the Gaza Strip stands today at 44% (compared to 44% three months ago) and for Fateh at 32% (compared to 28% three months ago). In the West Bank, vote for Hamas stands at 24% (compared to 25% three months ago) and Fatah at 40% (compared to 34% three months ago).

            A little over a quarter (27%) believe that Hamas is the most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people today while 24% believe that Fateh under the leadership of Abbas is more deserving; 44% believe both are unworthy of representation and leadership. Three months ago, 31% said Hamas is the most deserving, 21% said Fateh led by Abbas is the most deserving, and 43% said both are unworthy of representation and leadership.

            which isn’t even close to 80% no matter how you look at it.

            Your NBC News one says this:

            The group’s popularity grew after a two-week conflict with Israel in 2021, with roughly 75% of those polled viewing Hamas as safeguarding the Al-Aqsa Mosque and other Muslim holy sites in East Jerusalem.

            which is a very different thing than general approval…