• merc
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    1 year ago

    Also, about half of Israel’s jewish citizens = secular people who want peace

    It seems to be the ultra-religious on both sides that are constantly making things worse.

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      Yes, I think it’s very fair to also point out how many Israelis have not asked for this mess and would like it solved.

      I think they should be doing more to solve it, but their hearts are in the right place.

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        A large number of them have been out protesting Netanyahu’s power grabs. Incidentally, that may be one reason why the Mossad missed this attack. Mossad was too busy looking inwards at the chaos Netanyahu caused (and people who might be extremists on either side as a result), and missed what Hamas was planning. Basically, Netanyahu in many ways helped cause this situation, and now he stands to benefit from it, as people rally behind the strong leader who will protect them by killing Hamas militants, people near Hamas militants, people who might be Hamas militants, people who live in a building that might contain Hamas militants, etc.

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        You can’t understand not wanting to leave but instead voting via democratic process only to be dissatisfied/alarmed that more authoritarian, right wing demagogues are pushing the Overton Window right and eroding democracy?

        Do you live on Mars? This is happening everywhere.

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        I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, but if half of them want peace and are secular, why don’t they just leave and go live somewhere else?

        To quote some “very fine people” from a major western nation. “Jews will not replace us”.

        Lots of places aren’t exactly welcoming to them.

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        Geez, what in the last 2000 years of persecution might put them off that idea?

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          I think this comment is pretty unfair. You’re right that there’s a historical demonization of Jews that continues to this day, but i don’t think it makes sense to suggest that the only solution is for all the Jews to hide out in Israel (or some other Jewish nation/state).

          That said i don’t think it makes sense to say they have to leave for that reason either, or that it’s the smart thing to do or whatever. Why not stay? If only there were more secular Jews in Israel who opposed apartheid.