The world is listening. But the world is not allowed to say anything because the moment they criticise Israel’s government they are obviously evil anti-semites that should be shot on the spot.
Right now every single article criticising Israel’s government is drowned out by two dozen articles about all those despicable anti-semites everywhere excusing Hamas terrorism. Doesn’t matter that it’s a lie, that noone actually excused those terrorist acts. It’s just a rediculous over the top strawman.
But this ist our new post-factual reality. Those who scream their lie the loudest are right.
Hamas Rebels carried out an effective terrorist attack in retaliation to years of GLOBALLY SANCTIONED terrorism at the hands if Israel.
Now what was are observing is Israel quadrupling down on their terrorist activities whilst simultaneously waging an infowar.
Who do you think is more equipped to wage an infowar? A first world, heavily subsidized, safe government with all of the state of the art technology a little terrorist state can ask for? Or a poor destitute region whose infrastructure has been absolutely devastated over the decades, is again getting pummeled at full force, where hundreds if not thousands are getting ruthlessly slaughtered daily?
And Israel is STILL losing the infowar.
Why? Because the people of the world know exactly what is occurring but the governments of the world are so overwhelmingly corrupt that they maintain status quo so they also continue to get their shares of the subsidies.
I’m genuinely intrigued by how you separate those terms in reference to the Hamas attack on the music festival.
Not being confrontational. I’m struggling with a mean does or does not equal average does or does not descriptive statistic conversation on another thread.
Off the cuff, my take has been “Hamas is a terrorist organization. The Israeli Military is a much bigger and more agregious terrorist organization. Let them have eachother and let Israili and Palestinian civilians make music together”.
So here I am genuinely interested in your (and anyone elses) answer to “what is a terrorist attack, and how does it differ from a war crime? Bonus points: In current events, explain how Hamas has committed war crimes, but not terrorist attacks?”
You know you can support the Palestinan cause without having to lie egregiously right. In terms of support, this is not “A first world, heavily subsidized, safe government” […] versus “a poor destitute region” alone.
Like Israel has the US as an ally, there is massive financial support from different oil-rich, Middle Eastern countries in the infowar in favor of Palestine. From one side Iran, which is sworn enemies with Israel, and is financing Hezbollah in Lebanon. From another Qatar, where Hamas leaders are (were? I’ve seen reports of them moving so I may be out of date) living in luxury. Hell, even Russia is probably using their troll farms because making Israel look bad makes the US look bad and there is no way they would miss that chance.
I keep seeing this Israel funded Hamas rhetoric. But, I can find almost no information about it from reputable sources. The only information I can find that is not obviously biased is a freaking Quora post.
If you, or anyone else, has anything more solid then I would be very interested to read about it.
No, I think that we should be critical of what we read online. Especially on topics where information is being actively manipulated. Thanks for the link.
I was also quick to believe it because the US basically made Al Queda, so it make perfect sense to me that Israel, which has been extensively groomed by America, would use the same playbook in Palestine.
People & governments of the Global South have plenty to say right now, though few of us in the Global North will hear them unless we go out of our way.
Ja, ne. Du bedienst hier doch auch ne Strohpuppe. Die Welt darf nichts sagen? Komm, du weisst das stimmt nicht. Sonst würde doch auch keiner wissen, wie beschissen es in Gaza aussieht. Dass Israel dort noch nicht einmarschiert ist, zeigt wie sehr auch die westliche Gemeinschaft das israelische Militär vom Schlimmsten abhalten will. Ich weiss nicht, was du liest, aber schau dir mal den Guardian gerade an. Hier gibt es eine Vielfalt an Stimmen zum Konflikt. Vertreter Israel‘s, Gründer des BSD, geben hier sehr konträre Ansichten. Aber auch in deutschen Medien wird doch nicht wenig auf das Leid der Palästinenser hingewiesen. Dass Leute, die Hamas und ihre verabscheuungswürdigen Taten zum Befreiungskampf stilisieren, zurechtgewiesen werden, gerade halt auch in unserem Land, sollte dich nicht so radikalisieren.
In Professor Joseph Massad’s newest article on The Electronic Intifada, he wrote that the attack that occurred in Israel on October 7th was a “stunning victory” and that Hamas’ actions were “astounding,” “awesome,” and “incredible.”
And he doesn’t teach at some no name place either. Dude teaches at Columbia
…and not one of those evil words is an ethical judgement, yet, you choose to interpret them this way, because in a black and white narrative, every speck of dust on your white narrative, must mean the other person is completely in camp black.
This is exactly what was criticized above. There’s no room for any thought. It’s just Israel, fuck yeah! or antisemite; Palestine, fuck yeah! or genocide supporter.
Tell the Nazis my narrative is white. Tell the country clubs that banned dogs, blacks, and jews as recently as 60 years ago that my narrative is white. Tell the guy who shot up a synagogue in Pittsburgh and thought Trump was bad because he wasn’t tough on Jews that my narrative isn’t white. It’s amazing how we are somehow both nonwhite outsiders looking to destroy the fabric of society or European imperialists looking to uphold it and it’s whichever one the person viewing us thinks is bad.
And literally nothing of that has anything to do with waht you wrote before. Nothing. You jumped from “Gaza had succeses” to “this guy is antisemitic” to “if you think, this is not antisemitic, you are literally enabling violence”. That is just wrong.
Again, you are unable or unwilling to accept, that “your side” can also be bad. Both sides can be bad at the same time. The Holocaust doesn’t justify violence today, just as the Naqba doens’t justifiy violence today.
People like you would thrive under McCarthy, Stalin or the Stasi.
And literally nothing of that has anything to do with waht you wrote before.
Correct. It has to do with the thing that I quoted from your comment just before writing it
Again, you are unable or unwilling to accept, that “your side” can also be bad.
Not at all. I’m not a fan of the idf or Israeli government at all. The problem is that despite the fact that they do a lot of bad stuff they’re at least wouldn’t exterminate the other side of they (the other side) laid their weapons down tomorrow. If the idf laid their weapons down we would see more slaughter like October 7th followed by the forces and complete dissolution of the state of Israel. It doesn’t excuse some of the things the idf does but it’s what makes the idf the better of the two for whatever that’s worth.
The Holocaust doesn’t justify violence today, just as the Naqba doens’t justifiy violence today.
The correct. What justifies violence is a valid argument that it’s being done in self defense. And right now Israel definitely has that.
The beautiful modern internet! Where one can in one breath complain about the post-truth era, then proceed to get 30 upvotes for making the absurd, maximalist claim that no one excused the Oct 7 terrorist acts – when Iran called those attacks Palestinian self-defence and Students for Justice in Palestine called it “a historic win for the Palestinian resistance” (those are Reuters links, hopefully we can agree they don’t invent news wholecloth). So what now, are we going to move the goal posts and say that calling something “a win” and “self-defense” is not excusing it?
There are enough valid pro-Palestinian arguments: denying water to a civilian population of nearly two million is a war crime, that’s certainly a valid argument. These attacks didn’t happen in a vacuum, and need to be seen in the context of the impossible conditions in the Gaza strip: also certainly a valid argumnent. But this stuff, this blatant misrepresentation of reality, is what makes it to the top of the comment section instead.
The world is listening. But the world is not allowed to say anything because the moment they criticise Israel’s government they are obviously evil anti-semites that should be shot on the spot.
Right now every single article criticising Israel’s government is drowned out by two dozen articles about all those despicable anti-semites everywhere excusing Hamas terrorism. Doesn’t matter that it’s a lie, that noone actually excused those terrorist acts. It’s just a rediculous over the top strawman.
But this ist our new post-factual reality. Those who scream their lie the loudest are right.
Hamas Rebels carried out an effective terrorist attack in retaliation to years of GLOBALLY SANCTIONED terrorism at the hands if Israel.
Now what was are observing is Israel quadrupling down on their terrorist activities whilst simultaneously waging an infowar.
Who do you think is more equipped to wage an infowar? A first world, heavily subsidized, safe government with all of the state of the art technology a little terrorist state can ask for? Or a poor destitute region whose infrastructure has been absolutely devastated over the decades, is again getting pummeled at full force, where hundreds if not thousands are getting ruthlessly slaughtered daily?
And Israel is STILL losing the infowar.
Why? Because the people of the world know exactly what is occurring but the governments of the world are so overwhelmingly corrupt that they maintain status quo so they also continue to get their shares of the subsidies.
Earth is fucked.
Hamas didn’t do a terrorist attack. A war crime, sure. A terrorist attacked, no.
I’m genuinely intrigued by how you separate those terms in reference to the Hamas attack on the music festival.
Not being confrontational. I’m struggling with a mean does or does not equal average does or does not descriptive statistic conversation on another thread.
Off the cuff, my take has been “Hamas is a terrorist organization. The Israeli Military is a much bigger and more agregious terrorist organization. Let them have eachother and let Israili and Palestinian civilians make music together”.
So here I am genuinely interested in your (and anyone elses) answer to “what is a terrorist attack, and how does it differ from a war crime? Bonus points: In current events, explain how Hamas has committed war crimes, but not terrorist attacks?”
You know you can support the Palestinan cause without having to lie egregiously right. In terms of support, this is not “A first world, heavily subsidized, safe government” […] versus “a poor destitute region” alone.
Like Israel has the US as an ally, there is massive financial support from different oil-rich, Middle Eastern countries in the infowar in favor of Palestine. From one side Iran, which is sworn enemies with Israel, and is financing Hezbollah in Lebanon. From another Qatar, where Hamas leaders are (were? I’ve seen reports of them moving so I may be out of date) living in luxury. Hell, even Russia is probably using their troll farms because making Israel look bad makes the US look bad and there is no way they would miss that chance.
I am really sorry but I don’t speak apocalypse.
Are you saying because I understand why Hamas did what they did that I somehow support Iran?
No.
I’ve heard that Israel funded Hamas at some point and I believe it.
Israel is a problem. Time for the world to check in on Palestine as the place America is also shooting with brown people.
I keep seeing this Israel funded Hamas rhetoric. But, I can find almost no information about it from reputable sources. The only information I can find that is not obviously biased is a freaking Quora post.
If you, or anyone else, has anything more solid then I would be very interested to read about it.
What? You think this is some kind of secret? Israeli officials themselves have been admitting to this for years now.
No, I think that we should be critical of what we read online. Especially on topics where information is being actively manipulated. Thanks for the link.
I was also quick to believe it because the US basically made Al Queda, so it make perfect sense to me that Israel, which has been extensively groomed by America, would use the same playbook in Palestine.
But I get your desire for a bibliography.
People & governments of the Global South have plenty to say right now, though few of us in the Global North will hear them unless we go out of our way.
Ja, ne. Du bedienst hier doch auch ne Strohpuppe. Die Welt darf nichts sagen? Komm, du weisst das stimmt nicht. Sonst würde doch auch keiner wissen, wie beschissen es in Gaza aussieht. Dass Israel dort noch nicht einmarschiert ist, zeigt wie sehr auch die westliche Gemeinschaft das israelische Militär vom Schlimmsten abhalten will. Ich weiss nicht, was du liest, aber schau dir mal den Guardian gerade an. Hier gibt es eine Vielfalt an Stimmen zum Konflikt. Vertreter Israel‘s, Gründer des BSD, geben hier sehr konträre Ansichten. Aber auch in deutschen Medien wird doch nicht wenig auf das Leid der Palästinenser hingewiesen. Dass Leute, die Hamas und ihre verabscheuungswürdigen Taten zum Befreiungskampf stilisieren, zurechtgewiesen werden, gerade halt auch in unserem Land, sollte dich nicht so radikalisieren.
In Professor Joseph Massad’s newest article on The Electronic Intifada, he wrote that the attack that occurred in Israel on October 7th was a “stunning victory” and that Hamas’ actions were “astounding,” “awesome,” and “incredible.”
And he doesn’t teach at some no name place either. Dude teaches at Columbia
…and not one of those evil words is an ethical judgement, yet, you choose to interpret them this way, because in a black and white narrative, every speck of dust on your white narrative, must mean the other person is completely in camp black.
This is exactly what was criticized above. There’s no room for any thought. It’s just Israel, fuck yeah! or antisemite; Palestine, fuck yeah! or genocide supporter.
Tell the Nazis my narrative is white. Tell the country clubs that banned dogs, blacks, and jews as recently as 60 years ago that my narrative is white. Tell the guy who shot up a synagogue in Pittsburgh and thought Trump was bad because he wasn’t tough on Jews that my narrative isn’t white. It’s amazing how we are somehow both nonwhite outsiders looking to destroy the fabric of society or European imperialists looking to uphold it and it’s whichever one the person viewing us thinks is bad.
And literally nothing of that has anything to do with waht you wrote before. Nothing. You jumped from “Gaza had succeses” to “this guy is antisemitic” to “if you think, this is not antisemitic, you are literally enabling violence”. That is just wrong.
Again, you are unable or unwilling to accept, that “your side” can also be bad. Both sides can be bad at the same time. The Holocaust doesn’t justify violence today, just as the Naqba doens’t justifiy violence today.
People like you would thrive under McCarthy, Stalin or the Stasi.
Sooo… Palestinians should just accept their genocide quietly?
Correct. It has to do with the thing that I quoted from your comment just before writing it
Not at all. I’m not a fan of the idf or Israeli government at all. The problem is that despite the fact that they do a lot of bad stuff they’re at least wouldn’t exterminate the other side of they (the other side) laid their weapons down tomorrow. If the idf laid their weapons down we would see more slaughter like October 7th followed by the forces and complete dissolution of the state of Israel. It doesn’t excuse some of the things the idf does but it’s what makes the idf the better of the two for whatever that’s worth.
The correct. What justifies violence is a valid argument that it’s being done in self defense. And right now Israel definitely has that.
The beautiful modern internet! Where one can in one breath complain about the post-truth era, then proceed to get 30 upvotes for making the absurd, maximalist claim that no one excused the Oct 7 terrorist acts – when Iran called those attacks Palestinian self-defence and Students for Justice in Palestine called it “a historic win for the Palestinian resistance” (those are Reuters links, hopefully we can agree they don’t invent news wholecloth). So what now, are we going to move the goal posts and say that calling something “a win” and “self-defense” is not excusing it?
There are enough valid pro-Palestinian arguments: denying water to a civilian population of nearly two million is a war crime, that’s certainly a valid argument. These attacks didn’t happen in a vacuum, and need to be seen in the context of the impossible conditions in the Gaza strip: also certainly a valid argumnent. But this stuff, this blatant misrepresentation of reality, is what makes it to the top of the comment section instead.
So you somehow think that the world in “why isn’t the world listening?” means the people in Iran that finance Hamas?