• @[email protected]
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    10810 months ago

    Actually an instance dedicated to self hosted stuff would be great. We could have communities specifically for things like home lab, media hosting (Plex, Jellyfin, Emby), unRAID, TrueNAS, shit posting, hardware discussions, general conversations, etc.

    This would reduce the strain on lemmy.world and give us all a dedicated home for more niche topics without posts getting buried

  • @[email protected]
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    4910 months ago

    Considering how overloaded lemmy.world is right now, a pi in someone’s basement would be better, and besides, centralization is bad. Federation is what prevents lemmy from becoming the next Twitter.

    • @[email protected]
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      910 months ago

      My favorite part is when it finally becomes somewhat less overloaded, and my instance gets flooded with a bunch of posts from there filling the entirety of my front page, and the second page…

    • @[email protected]
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      610 months ago

      I want to move to a selfhosted instance once I can migrate my account. Anyone knows if this feature will be implemented ?

  • @[email protected]
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    3610 months ago

    In terms of an optimal load spread, it’s best if the lemmiverse is split into multiple equally sized instances. If you use an instance just for yourself, it doesn’t actually decrease the load on the main servers in any way. The only thing you get is a guarantee that your instance won’t suddenly go down.

    • Admiral Patrick
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      2610 months ago

      If you use an instance just for yourself, it doesn’t actually decrease the load on the main servers in any way.

      That’s not completely true. Yeah, it still loads another server a bit, but the server-to-server federation traffic is much more lightweight than the client-to-server traffic that would be involved with you having an account on that server and accessing it that way.

      But yeah, multiple, equally-sized communities on different instances is the ideal situation. The only sticky part right now is FOMO because you’d have to constantly watch for new SelfHosted communities and join them. Hopefully some frontend tools come along soon to make joining/managing multiple communities like that more streamlined.

      • @[email protected]
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        910 months ago

        Yes, ideally you‘d want to have a few large communties on each instance and not all topics with a single userbase on one. This not only decreases the load but also prevents scenarios in which a single admin starts to capsule their instance with a large userbase away from the federation.

    • @Toine
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      2510 months ago

      Suddenly going down seems to be a constant in my self hosted services though…

      • RCMaehl [Any]
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        1610 months ago

        I’m going to self host my own instance so I can have a cool username

      • @[email protected]
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        310 months ago

        What kind of “control” do you mean? Your posts/comments get replicated across all the other instances. You can’t really “guarantee” a delete, since the other instances might just ignore your request for delete.

        • @[email protected]
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          510 months ago

          By control, I mean I can back up my data and ensure my comments, subscribed communities, messages, etc are all available to me no matter what, I don’t have to rely on some external third-party managing it for me.

    • @Wats0nsOP
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      1710 months ago

      Yes, but we’re currently evolving into a situation where everything is centralized around Lemmy.world

    • @[email protected]
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      510 months ago

      Also the assurance that your home instance won’t be suddenly federated from one of the major ones

  • @abraham_linksys
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    I laughed but I dunno about you guys but I don’t publicly self host anything. If you can’t auth via ssh or VPN then you’re not accessing a damn thing from my home network. I’ve got multiple routers that I could set up some isolation with but it’s just too close to home.

      • @abraham_linksys
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        510 months ago

        Can’t get hacked if all your services are down because you can’t get those cocksuckingmothershitbitchingassbastard routing tables right 🤯

      • alaphic
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        110 months ago

        The connection is coming from INSIDE THE house INSTANCE!

    • @[email protected]
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      710 months ago

      Me having everything open: Come here mother***s I am waiting for all of you.

      VPNs? Cloudfare? Cloudfare Tunnels? Tailscale? What’s all that? Here we are fighters not pus***s.

      (Just kidding about the previos comments haha, well I have it open but it’s not on my home network… so slightly less problematic and tbh I am planning on closing some stuff, plus all is behind logins, and tbh I kind of like to be able to access to it from anywhere/any computer without having to use any special connection)

      • @[email protected]
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        110 months ago

        Well, now I’m worried about my security. I have an ngrok tunnel running inside a container on a raspberry pi. Do I need to worry about my other devices or if someone tries to attack me only the container is affected?

  • LachlanUnchained
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    I’m hosting one right now. Lemmyunchained.net

    But in will have to Limit Users at some point.

    I dont Think people properly understand they can be on any server. And join multiple communities. And it all Show up in their Feed. They don’t Need to worry about “which community has the Most Users”

    • @Wats0nsOP
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      810 months ago

      Yes they can be on any instance, but I’m starting to get worried about the number of communities that are on Lemmy.world

        • @[email protected]
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          110 months ago

          Nope, it has to manually be setup again, and you’d have to get everyone to subscribe to the new one as well.

        • @Wats0nsOP
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          110 months ago

          Nope, but that would be an awesome new feature!

        • MacFearrs
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          610 months ago

          It disregards the benefits of a distributed platform. Imagine if the admins went rouge, or the server data was irreversibly lost, suddenly all that content would be gone or under the authoritarian rule of the admins. Bit dramatic but you get the point.

          If the majority of content is on there, we’ve quite literally taken a decentralised system and centralised it lol

          • @[email protected]
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            610 months ago

            On a more technical level, it takes quite some ressources for a server to broadcast their communities to all other lemmy instances.

            “Receiving” a remote community is just reading data and inserting it in your instance. But if a community is hosted on your instance, you have to send that data to each and every instances with at least one user subscribed to it.

            So it’s really better for everyone to spread out on as many instances as possible. The only thing I would recommend before setting up a community (or your user account) on an instance is to check if you align with their moderation rules/code of conduct.

          • alaphic
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            110 months ago

            We did it reddit err… sorry guys… old habits and all

          • LachlanUnchained
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            010 months ago

            No. I think the other instances would need to purge that content right? I could be wrong.

            Assuming it’s federated. And someone from your server is subscribed to that community.

        • terribleplan
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          410 months ago

          Communities are inherently tied to the instance on which they are created and cannot be moved. If the instance is overloaded then that community will not federate properly. If the instance goes down nobody can post to the community. If the instance goes away that community goes away (except for the “cache” that other instances have).

          • LachlanUnchained
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            110 months ago

            Hmm. I’m not sure if that’s the case. I’m interested to see what the plan is for account migration. Weather posts will follow the user. Or stay with the instance.

            • terribleplan
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              410 months ago

              Migration of ActivityPub stuff is pretty rough… Everything has an ID, and that ID is the URL, so the ID of the post you replied to is literally https://lemmy.nrd.li/comment/227095… AFAIK there are some (non-standard, at least not in core AP) ways you can mark things to be like “yeah, this moved to over here”, but that isn’t built in to the spec so whether those mechanisms actually work is a crapshoot.

              • @[email protected]
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                I think we should expect/aim to just have some “mass repost script” that can take an extract of a community’s content and just “repost” it on a new community.

                Basically, a script that would “replay” a community in one go. I don’t know if you could create “new comments” that immitates perfectly the original commenter but that would be the idea for a quick and very dirty “community mover script”.

                A bit like in GIT when you want to change/remove a specific commit, you can only replay/rebuild everything from the start by creating new everything posts/comments.

                Or maybe that’s a terrible plan ;)

              • LachlanUnchained
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                Looking at my sql databases, I noticed there’s other identifiers on users and content. Not the url.

                It may be that the url is linked to the ID. And that ID can just change.

                I’m pretty much a noob. Just a lurker on the matrix chats.

                • terribleplan
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                  310 months ago

                  I’m talking purely from an ActivityPub/Activity Streams/Activity Vocabulary/JSON-LD perspective. There are some other local identifiers for things in Lemmy, but those do not matter for the purposes of federation. Any Object that is federated is expected to have an ID that is a URL at which you can make a GET request with the proper Accept header and you will get the latest version of that Object. AFAIK there is no provision for IDs to change.

        • @0xc0ba17
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          When lemmy.world will disappear, that’ll be a lot of communities (and valuable information) that will go with it.

          • LachlanUnchained
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            210 months ago

            I don’t know if that’s the intention of Lemmy. It’s not Reddit. It’s not an encyclopaedia.

            But I get that it would be annoying.

            My understanding is that other instances would need to purge Lemmy.works for that info to all disappear.

    • 🦥󠀠󠀠󠀠󠀠󠀠󠀠
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      410 months ago

      In practice right now it can be a bit schetchy tbh. Finding and subscribing to them is flakey and searching can be a bit hit and miss too.

      When it does all work both smoothly and seemlessly then we’ll be golden.

      • LachlanUnchained
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        310 months ago

        Yes. Because there’s no centralised list of communities, searching is extremely difficult. Or if not, very time consuming. Following every iteration of every node.

        I’m not sure how that can be overcome.

        • 🦥󠀠󠀠󠀠󠀠󠀠󠀠
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          The best way I can think of at the moment is a searchable website that gives you a link to click to seamlessly subscribe to them directly.

          It’d be fine if the website is user submitted rather than having to interrogate all the servers on the back end, because the results would have seen a human eye and be better quality.

          • LachlanUnchained
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            110 months ago

            Yeh. I think there are websites that do that already. I haven’t really looked. But has to be some form of centralised list.

      • terribleplan
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        510 months ago

        Which is exactly why you should self-host. No one to blame but yourself when your instance goes down/away.

        Sadly this idea doesn’t mesh well with how communities work given those are inherently tied to an instance, unlike e.g. hashtags on Mastodon. It would suck if some community goes away just because the instance admin got tired of running it.

      • LachlanUnchained
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        310 months ago

        Yeh. But that’s happened with some of the biggest instances too. I know there are plans to be able to migrate your profile from one instance to another. Once that’s implemented, no reason to mass bombard any particular instance.

        • KairuByte
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          210 months ago

          Haha, happened to my original account as well actually. lemme.ml must have had a rollback soon after I created my account last month, because it was gone when I tried to log in a week or so ago. So I get your point.

    • @[email protected]
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      210 months ago

      It doesn’t quite all show up the feed no matter what instance someone is on. In order for content to federate on an instance someone on that instance has to directly access it. I think this is why small niche instances appear to have a trickle of content on “all”.

      • LachlanUnchained
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        510 months ago

        Sorry. Was a typo. Says can join* any community and it show up on the feed. They need to join first. Yeas.

        • @[email protected]
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          110 months ago

          One person on your instance needs to join for the community to appear. That is the major benefit of joining a large instance, you don’t need to search other instances or use 3rd party tools to find new communities.

    • @[email protected]
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      010 months ago

      I’ve seen something like 8 comments pointing people towards their own servers.

      Which essentially guarantees a level of community fragmentation as to prevent community growth, cohesive, or general activity does it not?

      Ideally each community “group” would have their own Lemmy instance.

      • LachlanUnchained
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        210 months ago

        Yeh. There’s a few servers that donut really well. Lemmy.nsfw is probably the best example I think.

    • KairuByte
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      Unless I am mistaken, when the instance you sign up with dies, so does your account? Obviously your content and potentially profile will exist in some state, but you would no longer be able to authenticate, so for all intents and purposes your account is gone.

      While that won’t matter for some, for others that means there is some importance in the decision of where you create your account. Since, once that instance decides to shut down (or if it happens to defederate,) your account goes with it.

  • felixculpa
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    just created an account on @lemm.ee bc of this 🤣

    • @Wats0nsOP
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      510 months ago

      Eh, I guess I’m doing my part then 🤷

  • LessQuit
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    710 months ago

    I want to self-host but don’t know how to code etc so not sure where to even start

    • @[email protected]
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      Never self-hosted Lemmy, but have self-hosted other things in the past. While you don’t necessarily need to code, you need a fair amount of code-adjacent skills. If you ever want to get into self-hosting, you should have a look into (at least):

      • the linux command line
      • ssh
      • how ports work
      • VPS providers
      • DNS registrars
      • nginx
      • docker (while you don’t need it to host things, it makes your life 10x easier)
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        docker (while you don’t need it to host things, it makes your life 10x easier)

        …until you have a single extra space character hiding 20 lines into your compose file and the whole thing falls over the next time you try to bring the containers up.

        Lint your code and configs every time!

  • ALERT
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    Oh my god, I laughed so loudly that I had to explain this comic to my wife. She thought I’m dying already.

      • @[email protected]
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        Now it’s full of people who aren’t hosting it and it’s not self-hosted for them anymore.

        The idea of a self-hosted community is meaningless. It has to attract people other than the hoster to be useful.