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Isn’t selfhosted started by the same dude that started lemmy.world? Meaning it really is selfhosted? 🤔
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Stop pointing shit out and grab your bean fork, we’re rioting!
And shitting (are we still shitting?)
We’re on Lemmy aren’t we?
Not shitting (for 3 days)
I have to be careful and ration my bean memes.
how the hell did you and the person you’re replying to get your names to look like that
looks like some Unicode characters/emoji as their display name
Checkmate!
holy hell
It’s an older crossover, but it checks out
pipi
Ok, back to meme school for you
Yeah, the format is that she repeats the second panel on the fourth panel, with more question marks and concern. This version is almost like explaining the joke here.
Is there a community for gently abused memes that I can post this to?
reddit/r/funny
He said gently bro
This is my favorite Star Trek episode, too. Ruined.
mic drop
This is the theme song for The Greatest Generation Podcast.
I feel like that page needs to allow scrolling and just tile that image forever in all directions.
Lmao you beat me to pointing that out, he totally butchered the template
Actually an instance dedicated to self hosted stuff would be great. We could have communities specifically for things like home lab, media hosting (Plex, Jellyfin, Emby), unRAID, TrueNAS, shit posting, hardware discussions, general conversations, etc.
This would reduce the strain on lemmy.world and give us all a dedicated home for more niche topics without posts getting buried
Something like selfhost.edu/c/jellyfin or self.host is a great name too, if I was in the position to do it I would haha
Unfortunately, you can’t get .edu domains without being a school
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Well those instances are general ones. I am specifically talking about an instance dedicated to self hosting with communities dedicated to topics around self hosting
we need a tool to migrate communities then, so we can create a instance about selfhosting and migrate every community there
That was the idea behind borg.chat but I was a bit late to the party :)
Considering how overloaded lemmy.world is right now, a pi in someone’s basement would be better, and besides, centralization is bad. Federation is what prevents lemmy from becoming the next Twitter.
Literally just left lemmy.world because of how brutally slow it’s been
Same
My favorite part is when it finally becomes somewhat less overloaded, and my instance gets flooded with a bunch of posts from there filling the entirety of my front page, and the second page…
I want to move to a selfhosted instance once I can migrate my account. Anyone knows if this feature will be implemented ?
I think it’s far down on their list of things to do unfortunately.
In terms of an optimal load spread, it’s best if the lemmiverse is split into multiple equally sized instances. If you use an instance just for yourself, it doesn’t actually decrease the load on the main servers in any way. The only thing you get is a guarantee that your instance won’t suddenly go down.
If you use an instance just for yourself, it doesn’t actually decrease the load on the main servers in any way.
That’s not completely true. Yeah, it still loads another server a bit, but the server-to-server federation traffic is much more lightweight than the client-to-server traffic that would be involved with you having an account on that server and accessing it that way.
But yeah, multiple, equally-sized communities on different instances is the ideal situation. The only sticky part right now is FOMO because you’d have to constantly watch for new SelfHosted communities and join them. Hopefully some frontend tools come along soon to make joining/managing multiple communities like that more streamlined.
Yes, ideally you‘d want to have a few large communties on each instance and not all topics with a single userbase on one. This not only decreases the load but also prevents scenarios in which a single admin starts to capsule their instance with a large userbase away from the federation.
Suddenly going down seems to be a constant in my self hosted services though…
Bow chicka bow wow
ayo gurl lemme go down on your stack
I wanna self-host my own instance so I have more control over my data.
I’m going to self host my own instance so I can have a cool username
What kind of “control” do you mean? Your posts/comments get replicated across all the other instances. You can’t really “guarantee” a delete, since the other instances might just ignore your request for delete.
By control, I mean I can back up my data and ensure my comments, subscribed communities, messages, etc are all available to me no matter what, I don’t have to rely on some external third-party managing it for me.
Yes, but we’re currently evolving into a situation where everything is centralized around Lemmy.world
Also the assurance that your home instance won’t be suddenly federated from one of the major ones
Do you trust yourself to sustain this considerable commitment?
I laughed but I dunno about you guys but I don’t publicly self host anything. If you can’t auth via ssh or VPN then you’re not accessing a damn thing from my home network. I’ve got multiple routers that I could set up some isolation with but it’s just too close to home.
Inside the home even.
Can’t get hacked if all your services are down because you can’t get those cocksuckingmothershitbitchingassbastard routing tables right 🤯
The connection is coming from INSIDE THE
houseINSTANCE!
Me having everything open: Come here mother***s I am waiting for all of you.
VPNs? Cloudfare? Cloudfare Tunnels? Tailscale? What’s all that? Here we are fighters not pus***s.
(Just kidding about the previos comments haha, well I have it open but it’s not on my home network… so slightly less problematic and tbh I am planning on closing some stuff, plus all is behind logins, and tbh I kind of like to be able to access to it from anywhere/any computer without having to use any special connection)
Well, now I’m worried about my security. I have an ngrok tunnel running inside a container on a raspberry pi. Do I need to worry about my other devices or if someone tries to attack me only the container is affected?
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Well, did you self host this meme?
There is always: https://slrpnk.net/c/selfhosting 100% certified self-hosted from free-ranging servers 😅
I’m hosting one right now. Lemmyunchained.net
But in will have to Limit Users at some point.
I dont Think people properly understand they can be on any server. And join multiple communities. And it all Show up in their Feed. They don’t Need to worry about “which community has the Most Users”
Yes they can be on any instance, but I’m starting to get worried about the number of communities that are on Lemmy.world
Can you move a community once it’s created?
Nope, it has to manually be setup again, and you’d have to get everyone to subscribe to the new one as well.
Nope, but that would be an awesome new feature!
Why is that worrying?
It disregards the benefits of a distributed platform. Imagine if the admins went rouge, or the server data was irreversibly lost, suddenly all that content would be gone or under the authoritarian rule of the admins. Bit dramatic but you get the point.
If the majority of content is on there, we’ve quite literally taken a decentralised system and centralised it lol
On a more technical level, it takes quite some ressources for a server to broadcast their communities to all other lemmy instances.
“Receiving” a remote community is just reading data and inserting it in your instance. But if a community is hosted on your instance, you have to send that data to each and every instances with at least one user subscribed to it.
So it’s really better for everyone to spread out on as many instances as possible. The only thing I would recommend before setting up a community (or your user account) on an instance is to check if you align with their moderation rules/code of conduct.
We did it
redditerr… sorry guys… old habits and allNo. I think the other instances would need to purge that content right? I could be wrong.
Assuming it’s federated. And someone from your server is subscribed to that community.
Communities are inherently tied to the instance on which they are created and cannot be moved. If the instance is overloaded then that community will not federate properly. If the instance goes down nobody can post to the community. If the instance goes away that community goes away (except for the “cache” that other instances have).
Hmm. I’m not sure if that’s the case. I’m interested to see what the plan is for account migration. Weather posts will follow the user. Or stay with the instance.
Migration of ActivityPub stuff is pretty rough… Everything has an ID, and that ID is the URL, so the ID of the post you replied to is literally
https://lemmy.nrd.li/comment/227095… AFAIK there are some (non-standard, at least not in core AP) ways you can mark things to be like “yeah, this moved to over here”, but that isn’t built in to the spec so whether those mechanisms actually work is a crapshoot.I think we should expect/aim to just have some “mass repost script” that can take an extract of a community’s content and just “repost” it on a new community.
Basically, a script that would “replay” a community in one go. I don’t know if you could create “new comments” that immitates perfectly the original commenter but that would be the idea for a quick and very dirty “community mover script”.
A bit like in GIT when you want to change/remove a specific commit, you can only replay/rebuild everything from the start by creating new everything posts/comments.
Or maybe that’s a terrible plan ;)
Looking at my sql databases, I noticed there’s other identifiers on users and content. Not the url.
It may be that the url is linked to the ID. And that ID can just change.
I’m pretty much a noob. Just a lurker on the matrix chats.
I’m talking purely from an ActivityPub/Activity Streams/Activity Vocabulary/JSON-LD perspective. There are some other local identifiers for things in Lemmy, but those do not matter for the purposes of federation. Any Object that is federated is expected to have an ID that is a URL at which you can make a
GETrequest with the properAcceptheader and you will get the latest version of that Object. AFAIK there is no provision for IDs to change.
When lemmy.world will disappear, that’ll be a lot of communities (and valuable information) that will go with it.
I don’t know if that’s the intention of Lemmy. It’s not Reddit. It’s not an encyclopaedia.
But I get that it would be annoying.
My understanding is that other instances would need to purge Lemmy.works for that info to all disappear.
In practice right now it can be a bit schetchy tbh. Finding and subscribing to them is flakey and searching can be a bit hit and miss too.
When it does all work both smoothly and seemlessly then we’ll be golden.
Yes. Because there’s no centralised list of communities, searching is extremely difficult. Or if not, very time consuming. Following every iteration of every node.
I’m not sure how that can be overcome.
That’s cool. I’ll check it out.
The best way I can think of at the moment is a searchable website that gives you a link to click to seamlessly subscribe to them directly.
It’d be fine if the website is user submitted rather than having to interrogate all the servers on the back end, because the results would have seen a human eye and be better quality.
Yeh. I think there are websites that do that already. I haven’t really looked. But has to be some form of centralised list.
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Which is exactly why you should self-host. No one to blame but yourself when your instance goes down/away.
Sadly this idea doesn’t mesh well with how communities work given those are inherently tied to an instance, unlike e.g. hashtags on Mastodon. It would suck if some community goes away just because the instance admin got tired of running it.
Yeh. But that’s happened with some of the biggest instances too. I know there are plans to be able to migrate your profile from one instance to another. Once that’s implemented, no reason to mass bombard any particular instance.
Haha, happened to my original account as well actually. lemme.ml must have had a rollback soon after I created my account last month, because it was gone when I tried to log in a week or so ago. So I get your point.
It doesn’t quite all show up the feed no matter what instance someone is on. In order for content to federate on an instance someone on that instance has to directly access it. I think this is why small niche instances appear to have a trickle of content on “all”.
There is a lemmy seed script you can use as an admin that gets you a “default sub” experience https://github.com/Fmstrat/lcs
Sorry. Was a typo. Says can join* any community and it show up on the feed. They need to join first. Yeas.
One person on your instance needs to join for the community to appear. That is the major benefit of joining a large instance, you don’t need to search other instances or use 3rd party tools to find new communities.
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I’ve seen something like 8 comments pointing people towards their own servers.
Which essentially guarantees a level of community fragmentation as to prevent community growth, cohesive, or general activity does it not?
Ideally each community “group” would have their own Lemmy instance.
Yeh. There’s a few servers that donut really well. Lemmy.nsfw is probably the best example I think.
Unless I am mistaken, when the instance you sign up with dies, so does your account? Obviously your content and potentially profile will exist in some state, but you would no longer be able to authenticate, so for all intents and purposes your account is gone.
While that won’t matter for some, for others that means there is some importance in the decision of where you create your account. Since, once that instance decides to shut down (or if it happens to defederate,) your account goes with it.
Shameless self-insert, if you want a new instance, try mine! https://lemmings.world, it’s a general-purpose instance and everyone’s welcome!
just created an account on @lemm.ee bc of this 🤣
Eh, I guess I’m doing my part then 🤷
I want to self-host but don’t know how to code etc so not sure where to even start
Never self-hosted Lemmy, but have self-hosted other things in the past. While you don’t necessarily need to code, you need a fair amount of code-adjacent skills. If you ever want to get into self-hosting, you should have a look into (at least):
- the linux command line
- ssh
- how ports work
- VPS providers
- DNS registrars
- nginx
- docker (while you don’t need it to host things, it makes your life 10x easier)
docker (while you don’t need it to host things, it makes your life 10x easier)
…until you have a single extra space character hiding 20 lines into your
composefile and the whole thing falls over the next time you try to bring the containers up.Lint your code and configs every time!
Xml wasn’t great but yaml is 2 steps backwards
Edit: tfw 3months ago
If you are wanting to self-host outside of your home-lab and use a VPS, it is pretty simple. Ubergeek77 has compiled a docker image to easily install it all in like 5 steps. Take a look, https://github.com/ubergeek77/Lemmy-Easy-Deploy
#Lemmy-Easy-Deploy @[email protected]
Oh my god, I laughed so loudly that I had to explain this comic to my wife. She thought I’m dying already.
If you self host a community how would anyone find it?
post it in New Communities and also it should show in Lemmy Explorer
Now it’s full of people who aren’t hosting it and it’s not self-hosted for them anymore.
The idea of a self-hosted community is meaningless. It has to attract people other than the hoster to be useful.
