• @[email protected]
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    9 months ago

    If nothing else, this terrible unnecessary war has shown the West’s cognitive dissonance.

    Hardcore right wing people generally hate Jewish people, unless the Jewish people are fighting Muslim people, then it’s “Jewish people have the right to self-determination!”

    People on the left generally do not hate any specific ethnic group, however, we have a long history of criticizing Israel for their apartheid. Being met with the furor of everyone else calling us anti-semites is nothing new, but never has it come so forcefully from so many people all at once.

    Moderates in the center aren’t speaking out at all for fear of being called anti-semitic, maintaining international relations with a nuclear power, and secretly hoping that this takes attention away from the climate crisis so we can keep going business as usual in favor of the ruling class.

    More important than the cognitive dissonance though, is the fact that everyone in the West believes their opinion is the best and will solve everything.

    • Bernie EcclestonedOP
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      379 months ago

      Yeah, after watching the siege of Mariupol and the destruction of civilian infrastructure by Putin, it’s kinda hard to defend the same actions, whatever the provocation, by Bibi

      • @[email protected]
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        09 months ago

        Lmfao if Putin did the same thing he’d be couped. The Russo-Ukrainian war is a land grab, not an attempt to bomb the ethnically-Russian dominant civilians in Ukraine’s south and east.

      • WuTang
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        -279 months ago

        If Putin did 1/100 of what Israel did/are doing right now, the war would have been terminated months ago.

        OH and by the way, Russia is fighting a real army with logistic/intel support from the West.

        Don’t compare them to your shitty cowards which is also benefiting of logistic support.

          • WuTang
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            -79 months ago

            not you, Bernie. I was talking about the shitty entity in the middle east who is killing childen, women behind their joystick.

              • WuTang
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                -99 months ago

                fuck it. RIGHT NOW I don’t give a damn about what Hamas did or are going to do. Keep your fake humanist rhetoric or wisdom from book “oh but you fall in the trap of…”, F U C K I T! They bombed one of the few fucking remaining hospitals in state. This is not an artillery margin error, this was dedicated!

                Israel went far beyond the limit and they play straight, no Hamas masterplan or a six advanced moves. Israel does not care, they massacre plain straight and with a giant fuck off to the rest of the planet.

                Just nope.

                • Bernie EcclestonedOP
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                  99 months ago

                  Apparently that hospital was a misfired rocket from Gaza… if that turns out to be true, I’ll await your condemnation of whichever Islamist cunts did it

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                  29 months ago

                  RIGHT NOW I don’t give a damn about what Hamas did or are going to do

                  Well something is wrong with you because you should. Hamas is controlling the whole Gaza and doesn’t care about the future of their people.

                  The hospital too. There are video and photo evidence, it was not bombed by Israel.

    • @[email protected]
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      239 months ago

      Anti-semitic my ass. I know jewish people that are openly open about their retarded leaders.

      Jewish people out of all people should understand why genocide is not acceptable. A bunch of old power hungry people are responsible for hundreds of thousands of people being killed or displaced. That’s what God wants, amiright?

      • @[email protected]
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        19 months ago

        If it was genocide, why warn the people and offer humanitarian aid in the south of Gaza? Why no attacks on the Westbank? Why did they wait until Hamas attacked (again)? Why were Palestinians part of the population in Israel?

        Israel certainly doesn’t respect the border to Palestinian land, but to call it genocide sounds a lot like a propaganda tool. Especially when it comes from people who ignore that Palestinians and especially the Hamas and other extremist groups in Palestine declared they want a genocide on all Jews. And this even predates the separation.

    • @[email protected]
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      59 months ago

      You are also called and Islamophobe if you aren’t taking a stand against all of Israel in this.

    • @[email protected]
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      19 months ago

      It’s fine… when Russia does landgrabs and “settles” in parts of Ukraine it’s called ethnic cleansing, genocide, illegal war, yada yada.

      When Israel does it it’s just a right to self determination and if you disagree with that then you must be an antisemite nazi.

  • iByteABit [he/him]
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    549 months ago

    Maybe public opinion will change now that there’s white victims of the genocide too

    • @[email protected]
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      -439 months ago

      Who do you guys talk to? Nobody I know is supporting Israel in this. Most comments I read don’t support them either.

      • @[email protected]
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        619 months ago

        I live in the southern USA, evangelical folks in my area are fully onboard with Israel support. Facebook links constantly, sign boards in front of churches, those annoying free newspapers they publish and leave in the driveway.

        It’s all anti Muslim and some really creepy genocide talk.

        • sab
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          Well, in the defence of some evangelical communities, they’re just out there hoping the rapture will happen in their lifetimes and doing what they can to speed up the process.

          Some of them don’t necessarily hate Muslims, they just want the world to end ASAP and believe supporting a militant Israel will speed up the process. And who knows, maybe they’re right.

      • @[email protected]
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        379 months ago

        Wtf? Even lemmy was crazy to read just a few days ago. Deranged comments everywhere in support of Israel. Plus a lot of governments support them directly as well.

          • NoneOfUrBusiness
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            No I’ve personally seen shit like “Israel should just kill all Palestinians” or “why don’t Arab countries take all Palestinians as refugees”.

          • @[email protected]
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            49 months ago

            Nah I would have found that very much Ok as I or course what Hamas did and does is completely inhumane.

            It was basically a lot of different ways of saying that Palestinians deserved it because Hamas was voted in, not thrown out yet, or simply because they haven’t left. Just gross comments everywhere

      • @[email protected]
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        179 months ago

        Except most governments. They also fund humanitarian aid for the Palestinians on the down-low but publically they’re supporting Israel. Just look at the US.

      • @[email protected]
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        179 months ago

        Bruh where have you been, I’ve seen the most sanguine comments being catapulted to the top of feeds. Although not as bad in Lemmy as i saw it on reddit.

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        169 months ago

        Time.com, one of the most-read news sites on the planet, is supporting Israel unabashedly. “Nobody I know” isn’t the same as “nobody”.

      • @[email protected]
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        79 months ago

        Lemmy I’ve found to be better at condemning both Hamas and the IDF, bit try Reddit, FB, or X. Or people in real life.

        • sab
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          199 months ago

          Shout out to France and Germany, who casually banned peaceful demonstrations as if that’s a normal thing to do in a democracy.

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            They banned groups giving out candy as a celebration of the Hamas attacks and kidnappings of Israelis and groups that openly support terrorist organisations like Hamas. Are you opposed to that? How do you think Germany should react to a group that’s openly anti-semitic?

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    9 months ago

    and the voice of a british girl (i have nothing against her) seems to worth more than the victims. strange that you need a crying girl to measure a disaster when the victims are not white.

    • Bernie EcclestonedOP
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      She’s British Palestinian, it makes sense that a British citizen strikes a chord with the British media.

      • WuTang
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        She’s British Palestinian, it makes sense that a British citizen strikes a chord with the British media.

        No it is not. I have litterally zero relation with the middle east, arabs and co but I am disgusted deep to my guts by this fucking genocide that we, moreover, are imposed to support!

        There’s not better demonstration of racism and nastiest

          • WuTang
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            -149 months ago

            they are killing civilians in mass, where is the opinion? where’s the link between a Hamas squad and 2 000 000 of civilians???

            anyway. …

            • wanderingmagus
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              Your opinion that non-british people would strike a chord with British people as well or better than a British person. As was previously noted: most people didn’t give a shit about brown people dying until the headline said “British”, and then suddenly it mattered.

    • @[email protected]
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      29 months ago

      People need to relate. It’s easier for the West to relate to a british person than a Palestinian person. It’s hard to relate to just Palestinian because a significant amount is a part of Hamas, and Hamas wants me dead because I am not Muslim. Hamas was democratically elected. That means a majority of Palestinians think their way is the right way. That little british-palestinian didn’t vote for Hamas. I can relate to her. It’s hard to relate to people that democratically elected a group that wants to kill me.

      • VenoraTheBarbarian
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        Correction, the election that gave Hamas power was 17 yrs ago, half the population of Gaza is under 18. Half the population of Gaza was not even born yet when the last election took place.

        If memory serves, that’s also around the time Netanyahu was funding Hamas. Your post blames children who couldn’t vote for Hamas more than the PM of Israel who was funding them.

        Hopefully this helps you relate more to the children and young adults in Palestine who had no say in their either.