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Just weeks after hugely disruptive protests and strikes over pension reforms in France finally died down, businesses in the country are grappling with the fallout from a week of rioting.
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The only thing I reapect about fr*nce is their protest culture
Jk jk I’m sure there’s other stuff like baked goods or whatever. Great job with the riots guys.
Great job? They destroy and loot their own cities in name of “protest”. This is not a protest, this is shameless looting and destruction.
This is not a protest, this is shameless looting and destruction.
You guys have the same talking points wherever you are.
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If you fk around trying to wind back social benefits to please like 5% of top incone receivers you FIND OUT when they break stuff.
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the vast MAJORITY of breaking stuff has been proven in the US to be right-winger provocateurs.
You are aware that the shops and infrastructure they are destroying have no influence on social security nor policy, right? You are also aware that most shops are family owned businesses that already struggle to make ends meet, and face similar issues as the people rioting? There are ways to protest and revolt against a government, that don’t include stealing or breaking public infrastructure. I don’t get why people think stealing is warranted when you tag protest on it.
This WHOLE ENTIRE talking point, in effect, takes away from THE POINT OF THE PROTEST.
The points of the protest are the eroding of everyone’s quality of life because of an uppermost class AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM
I thought this was about police violence? But sure. Oh and p.s, from a rational point of view, the pension age cannot stand as is, and must be increased to ensure pension for all
Oh and p.s, from a rational point of view, the pension age cannot stand as is, and must be increased to ensure pension for all
This terrible opinion is why you keep hitting that “BUT THE LOOTING11!1” lever lol
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It is their cities and they do as they please.
Government needs to learn the good old classic…
Fuck around, find out.
Oh yes, the governemnt will tremble in fear, looking at the people destroying their own streets, while watching them from the top of the ivory tower. :D
Cope pussy
Yeah they are really showing the government … I feel sorry for the innocent people that lost so much due to this “protest”. People’s cars burned down, family owned businesses had their shops looted and cannot make any money for the next couple of weeks, people relying on public infrastructure cannot use it.
I feel sorry for the innocent people that lost so much due to this “protest”.
no you don’t
Yeah… You don’t feel this for ded kid tho… Am I right?
God forbid profits got hurtz
I wish we had the same mentality as French when it comes to protesting. Here people generally complain in a pub while drinking beer.
I get your point. Actively contributing to politics either by joining a party or by protesting is supporting democracy.
But looting stores and robbing people en masse only discredits peaceful protests.
I agree, looting stores is not the way to go. But peaceful protests are way to easy to just ignore
The required mass of people is definitely higher. But if you are interested, I can recommend reading about the Monday demonstrations which brought down the eastern Germany regime. They were (by a broad majority) peaceful.
Yeah, I don’t like that part. On the other hand, peaceful protests don’t change anything.
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It sounds like France can’t afford to raise the pension age.
Good. The ruling class need to face consequences or they’ll never learn.
One could argue that the shop owner whose business was devastated and looted is not necessary in the league of the ruling class
hopefully they apply pressure to the ruling class as well then
Yeah, I’m sure that little mom and pop patisseries are keeping the boot on the neck of the little guy.
I doubt bakeries get targeted lol cute try tho
Gucci and LV shops… Fuck 'em, who cares haha
Protesters have looted 200 stores and destroyed 300 bank branches and 250 smaller corner shops.
Quote from article. Must feel like a huge stab in the back when your shop gets run over and looted by fellow countrymen.
Yeah… Government fucked up and the rich let it
Heckin based
Zis is ze way
We could learn a thing or two from the French.
Property of the rich is more valuable than lesser quality organic persons.
Did they actually get the reform scrapped in the end?
Maybe they shouldn’t have pushed the pension reforms if they didnt want to lose money?
It’s not just about money, it’s about workforce. Imagine being in a nursery, without nurses available. As for the money, you cannot expect society to pay for a specific standard of living for too long. The workforce must support the people that are not working. Now that we are getting older on average, it would mean that the workforce will have to support more non working people. Imagine that you retire at 60, but people now live on average to 80, which is increasing every decade now
There are really only two options here, increase retirement age, or increase taxes on the workforce. Take your pick.
That’s a false dichotomy. There are many more options. Increasing the salary part of the gpd would increase the the base income the pension takes a part of. But salary part of the gpd has never been so low.
And no, increasing salaries would not grow inflation if companies take the money on the insane benefits they did these last years. Wages raise don’t make the inflation. Companies that increase prices to increase their benefits grow the inflation.
What a cesspit of racists promoting violence. I did not expect this. I expected people who value safety and civility. There are protests and there are riots. There’s justice and there’s setting fire to the mayor’s house, injuring his family. There’s a democratic state, and an angry mob destroying stuff. There’s innocent kid, and an unknown individual at the wheel of a ton of high-speed steel illegally in a city full of people. These “cars” by the way, have the biggest violent death toll in developed countries. Guns? Heck no!
I am so disappointed.
Nonviolent protests don’t work. GTFO capitalist shill
So if I abhor violence and people getting hurt, suddenly I’m a “capitalist shill”.
Speaks volumes of your intellect, I must say
There are no safe and sane riots. This is how rioting goes. I don’t take part in riots, but I understand that it is the language of the unheard (much in the same way that war is “diplomacy by other means,” rioting is what happens when protests don’t work).
There were no protests. No lawsuits, no nothing. Straight to violence.
And people here actually believe that it’s good to hurt other people, as if that fixes the death of one person. Horrible in every way. Shameful and disgusting.
Do you have any idea how many people are killed by the police when they are unarmed? Here it was blatent murder, and if it wasn’t for the video leaked on social media the cop would face absolutely no consequences.
Murderers place is in jail. When justice fail, the social contract is broken. When the social contract is broken, there is no peace or discussion.
Neither France nor the USA were built on peaceful protests. At some point, the idiot in charge has to understand how it goes.
Do you have any idea how many people are killed by the police when they are unarmed?
Fewer than armed people killing other people when the police isn’t there. If that ain’t true then obviously the police should be disbanded. And since you haven’t brought up any data, I will bring it, from the latest news. 15 incidents like that, in France, in the last year. And according to data I found for 2016, there were around 1500 total gun deaths (about 100 times more).
So yeah, I have an idea. Do you?
Here it was blatent murder
A person was killed. Whether it was murder or manslaughter, is not up to you to decide because you have no degree in law in France.
and if it wasn’t for the video leaked on social media the cop would face absolutely no consequences.
Ok, so the cop will face consequences now. Isn’t that the goal? Why hurt other people that have nothing to do with it? Your reasoning is completely absent here.
When justice fail, the social contract is broken
Who is gonna carry out justice for all the assholes that hurt people in these riots? Shall we play the escalation game just to satisfy your weird revenge boner?
When the social contract is broken, there is no peace or discussion.
So your solution is to escalate violence endlessly. slow clap
Neither France nor the USA were built on peaceful protests.
You don’t know history very well, do you? You’re comparing authoritarian regimes with democratic ones now.
Your data is considering suicides… And a cop killing someone is also a murder, so it will go in the stats of people killed by gunshot.
So yes, cops are actually responsible for 15% of murders in France with guns. We can also say that cops kill more than terrorism.
If you’re fine with this, there’s no point discussing further.
I explicitly said that I’m all for justice. You are being dishonest with your last statement, which is an emotional reaction that is completely unnecessary. Cool down.
So if your sources are correct, then when comparing the organization that should have the monopoly on violence, to how much violence they enact, it’s 15%,… it’s kinda dumb, isn’t it? It’s dumb to expect the organization with the monopoly on violence to enact an order of magnitude less violence than the “competitors”.
Man the monopoly of violence is certainly not the right to murder unarmed people! Do you realize what you’re saying?!
Why can’t americans be like the french? Protests have to cause damage to be effective!
