Hamas is not the palestinian people. Israel’s government is not the Israeli people.
You should not support Hamas or The Israeli government regardless of whi h side did what.
The comment you’re replying to was specific about the difference between the people and the organisations in control of their states so I think you should too.
So who else is there to support? Who else is willing to fight back against the genocidal Israeli regime? Gi Joe, maybe? The starship Enterprise?
How many of the Palestinians fighting for Hamas actually gives a damn what Hamas stands for? Half? A quarter? Ten percent, maybe? I don’t know… but I can tell you this - all of them know, far better than you ever could, what Israel stands for. They have seen it for themselves for the last half-a-century. It was no different than all the Vietnamese people who fought with the Viet Cong - and the liberal hand-wringing over the “evil” Viet Cong sounded exactly the same then as yours do now.
This is what you “enlightened centrists” don’t seem to understand… when a genocidal enemy is giving you no other option but to resist using all means available, you don’t get to wait around for a political organisation that soothes all your moral hackles - you either join the people handing out AKs or you sit on the sidelines and wait for the mass-murder to claim you, too.
You think your “both-side-ism” is new? It’s not… it’s been the exact same bullcrap that has been used to smear all anti-colonialist warfare since the start of colonialism.
The fact that a cause is just does not make all of its participants good.
Hamas is a dictatorship, they have not allowed an election in near 20 years, and they do not hesitate to endanger the people of palestine intentionally to further their cause. You can condemn the Israeli government and their actions while also condemning hamas, it’s not a fucking sport where you pick sides and cheer for a team.
But that’s a tangent. You did that to the person before me too, just picking out a small section of a comment and responding to that as though everything else said wasn’t there.
I acknowledge the horrific things comitted by Israel towards palestine and palestinians. But i’m sorry, i find it a bit too hard a pill to swallow to cheer the other force intent on genocide launching rockets indiscriminately into civilians. Just as horrific a thought as cheering the IDF levelling another apartment building, no?
Do you think that if Hamas were to win that you would feel good supporting the genocide that would follow?
You’re jist buying into a political bandwagon. Support condemning the idfs actions and sanctions on israel for stolen land. But dont fucking cheer mindless violence. And its ok to acknowledge that everything isnt black and white. Somebody telling you not to support hamas isnt telling you that the people of palestine deserve death and misery.
The fact that a cause is just does not make all of its participants good.
Nobody said Hamas was any good. If there was anything good about them, Israel would not have funded them back in the late 80s.
while also condemning hamas
Again… who else is there that is willing to fight Israel? Superman? Captain Planet? You?
Get this through your head, liberal - people undergoing brutal colonization does not have the luxury of adhering to your limp-wristed armchair pearl-clutching. If you are going to condemn them for resisting, you might just as well take off your mask and join the pro-colonialism side - you’re not all that far removed from them ideologically, anyway.
Hamas is not the palestinian people. Israel’s government is not the Israeli people.
You should not support Hamas or The Israeli government regardless of whi h side did what.
The comment you’re replying to was specific about the difference between the people and the organisations in control of their states so I think you should too.
So who else is there to support? Who else is willing to fight back against the genocidal Israeli regime? Gi Joe, maybe? The starship Enterprise?
How many of the Palestinians fighting for Hamas actually gives a damn what Hamas stands for? Half? A quarter? Ten percent, maybe? I don’t know… but I can tell you this - all of them know, far better than you ever could, what Israel stands for. They have seen it for themselves for the last half-a-century. It was no different than all the Vietnamese people who fought with the Viet Cong - and the liberal hand-wringing over the “evil” Viet Cong sounded exactly the same then as yours do now.
This is what you “enlightened centrists” don’t seem to understand… when a genocidal enemy is giving you no other option but to resist using all means available, you don’t get to wait around for a political organisation that soothes all your moral hackles - you either join the people handing out AKs or you sit on the sidelines and wait for the mass-murder to claim you, too.
You think your “both-side-ism” is new? It’s not… it’s been the exact same bullcrap that has been used to smear all anti-colonialist warfare since the start of colonialism.
The fact that a cause is just does not make all of its participants good.
Hamas is a dictatorship, they have not allowed an election in near 20 years, and they do not hesitate to endanger the people of palestine intentionally to further their cause. You can condemn the Israeli government and their actions while also condemning hamas, it’s not a fucking sport where you pick sides and cheer for a team.
But that’s a tangent. You did that to the person before me too, just picking out a small section of a comment and responding to that as though everything else said wasn’t there.
I acknowledge the horrific things comitted by Israel towards palestine and palestinians. But i’m sorry, i find it a bit too hard a pill to swallow to cheer the other force intent on genocide launching rockets indiscriminately into civilians. Just as horrific a thought as cheering the IDF levelling another apartment building, no?
Do you think that if Hamas were to win that you would feel good supporting the genocide that would follow?
You’re jist buying into a political bandwagon. Support condemning the idfs actions and sanctions on israel for stolen land. But dont fucking cheer mindless violence. And its ok to acknowledge that everything isnt black and white. Somebody telling you not to support hamas isnt telling you that the people of palestine deserve death and misery.
Nobody said Hamas was any good. If there was anything good about them, Israel would not have funded them back in the late 80s.
Again… who else is there that is willing to fight Israel? Superman? Captain Planet? You?
Get this through your head, liberal - people undergoing brutal colonization does not have the luxury of adhering to your limp-wristed armchair pearl-clutching. If you are going to condemn them for resisting, you might just as well take off your mask and join the pro-colonialism side - you’re not all that far removed from them ideologically, anyway.