Justice Arthur Engoron on Oct. 3 barred Trump from disparaging court staff after Trump shared on social media a photo of the judge’s top clerk posing with U.S. Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer, a Democrat, and falsely called her Schumer’s “girlfriend.”

During a trial break on Wednesday in the civil lawsuit brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James concerning Trump’s business practices, Trump told reporters, “This judge is a very partisan judge, with a person who’s very partisan sitting alongside of him, perhaps even much more partisan than he is.”

Engoron, surmising that Trump was referring to his clerk, called the comments a “blatant” violation of the gag order. The judge imposed the fine after Trump briefly took the witness stand to take questions.

  • Dyskolos
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    Wow. Isn’t that like fining the regular Joe 2 bucks? Must be devastating and lifestyle-changing.

    • @[email protected]
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      The first fine was 5k. This is 10k.

      Doubling can get pretty nasty, pretty fast. Let’s hope he sticks to it.

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        He’d have to do it 16 12 times for doubling to touch just 1% of his reported net worth.

        (I have zero interest debating what his actual net worth is. Don’t @ me.)

        Edited to correct math.

        • @[email protected]
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          Your math is bad.

          16 total payments of 5k, 10k, 20k, … is $327,675,000.

          That is 1% of $32,767,500,000.

          Trump’s net worth is not reported as close to 33 billion anywhere, and never has been.

          13 payments would be 1% of about 4 billion, which could be ballparked as about Trump’s reported net worth at various times in history.

          • iAmTheTot
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            My math was indeed bad! That’s what I get for doing it fast at work lmao. Thanks for the call out.

        • @[email protected]
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          i think the moon is made of cheese

          I HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT THAT’S A FACT OR NOT SO DON’T BOTHER REPLYING WITH ANYTHING THAT MAY CHALLENGE MY WORLD VIEW

          • 520
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            Dude, they said they didn’t want to discuss something completely unconnected to their statement. His reported and actual net worth are two very different things.

            Don’t know what you think you’re calling out, but you failed.

          • iAmTheTot
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            I would, in fact, have zero interest in debating someone who believes the moon is made of cheese.

      • @[email protected]
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        128 months ago

        10’000 is to a billionaire what 10 is to a millionaire. Or cents to some random person.I hope that gets the point across just how irrelevant that number is.

        • @[email protected]
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          88 months ago

          Maybe this is like write-ups at work. Verbal warning, written warning, final warning, 3 day suspension, 7 day suspension, termination.

          So 5k, 10k, 100k, month in jail, 3 months in jail, in custody until trial is over.

        • Dyskolos
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          I’m bad at math, so you’re probably right. Sadly so. Makes it even worse.

      • Dyskolos
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        Oh sorry. I didn’t know. Well, that changes everything. Poor guy, and i was mocking him 😣

      • @[email protected]
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        I looked it up, and the penalty is imprisonment until the fine is paid. If the fine is never paid, it ticks down with time served (looks like double-digit dollars forgiven per day).

    • TechyDad
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      Let’s say Trump is worth $1 billion. (He claims he’s worth much more, but reports say he’s worth much less.) The super rich skew the average net worth, but it looks like the median American is worth $193,000.

      At those amounts, $10,000 for Trump is like $1.93 to the “median American.”

      I can only hope that the fines increase by a lot more or jail time starts getting added to the mix.

  • @Bridger
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    Perhaps a week or so in jail will clean up his behavior.

      • @Bridger
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        Yeah but that happens after the trial.

        • FuglyDuck
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          Not if they hold them until it’s over. Like they would have held any one else by now

    • @girlfreddyOP
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      Imo they haven’t simply because if Trump is in jail, so is his Secret Service detail … and that’s a shit show nobody wants to deal with right now.

      • @[email protected]
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        We should just build a cell in the white house. A super secret cell with tunnels and bunkers and shit. Everyone knows it’s there, but they say it’s impossible to figure out where it is. There’s only one entrance inside the white house somewhere that only 3 secret service agents know about.

        And the sitting president can stream footage online if they wanted.

      • @[email protected]
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        48 months ago

        if Trump is in jail, so is his Secret Service detail

        It’s not like they’ll be in the cell with him.

        And it’ll be a lot easier for them to keep him protected if he’s locked up. (Clearly they’ll never put someone like this in general population where some random gangbanger can get at him.)

        • FuglyDuck
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          (Clearly they’ll never put someone like this in general population where some random gangbanger can get at him.)

          I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. And then, Epstein’d his ass

      • Unaware7013
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        Nah, take him to a cell in some place like Leavenworth where they’ve already got plenty of security. No sense in wasting money on extra personnel when they can just house him with other high security felons.

    • FaceDeer
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      When you refuse to pay court-ordered fines my understanding is that they send bailiffs to physically take your property away so it can be sold to cover it.

    • @[email protected]
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      Worst (best?) case, he’s thrown in jail until he pays. Not paying is contempt of court

      • @[email protected]
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        Not paying is contempt of court

        Yeah, but so was violating the gag order.

        If he isn’t jailed on a third strike, I’m done following this.

  • Tammo-Korsai
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    Losing time rather than money would be a stronger punishment for that kind of person, so lock him up for a while where he cannot enjoy any luxuries.

    • Dyskolos
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      As if he would have the same jail-experience like regular joe. It would be worse than home, but probably still more comfortable than us in our homes. At least I’m having a hard time imagining it would not be… Maybe I’m just too cynical.

  • fiat_lux
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    My hope is that Engoron is baiting him to say/do more egregious things to really justify a proper sentence, because he knows Trump will keep pushing the envelope. But Occam’s Razor suggests he might just be cowardly.

    Come on Engoron, defy the razor. Show us all what you got.

  • @[email protected]
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    $10,000 now? Yeah that’ll teach him. Mostly it’ll just teach him that violating court orders comes with a small price tag and he could do it a hundred more times.

    Let’s just hope that when it happens again he actually gets to sit in a godamn jail for a change, clearly taking the loose change out of his pocket isn’t doing the job.

  • Veraxus
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    So… barely a tap on the wrist… and after his SECOND violation, no less.

    • TechyDad
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      My only hope is that the judge is laying a “fair fine” foundation so that any future jail time is appeal proof. If Trump tries to appeal being sent to jail, the judge would be able to say “I gave him a warning. I gave a fine. I have him a slightly larger fine. I gave him more fines. Finally, I had no choice, but to go with jail time.”

      • @Mnemnosyne
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        Yeah, that’s pretty likely - also the judge probably doesn’t want those hacks on the Supreme Court to have the slightest figleaf of an excuse to stick their noses into this on appeal.

    • sadreality
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      Amazing how the rich got away with this shit for generations at least the slave force is waking to this concept…

      If punishment is a fine, that’s just cost of doing business for the rich lol

  • @[email protected]
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    118 months ago

    Stop charging the wealthy guy a fee that allows him to do what he wants and just make him sit facing the corner for half an hour if you want him to learn.

  • Gazumi
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    I’m waiting for the news that he is in prison and gags correctly on his giant cell mate. I know too crude, but it needs to happen.