Imagine a cinema has a peeping view from the outside. Is it immoral to peek through the view? I.e: is it considered stealing to do that?
If instead of the cinema, the place was a classroom. Or a workshop, are you considered a theive?
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Just to add a thought: big film studios screw over the VFX artists all the time. There are stories of a movie winning “Best Visual Effects” award and the VFX house that actually did all the hard work going bankrupt because they didn’t get paid enough by the big studio to make ends meet. IIRC, Life of Pi was one such occasion. Isn’t that piracy, too: owner class stealing labor from working class.
One could possibly argue that piracy is the inevitable product—nay, an honoured practice—of capitalism because it all boils down to exploiting someone’s labor for your own benefit without fair compensation for the laborer. Big corporations exploit 3rd world countries to get their resources for as cheap as possible; pirates exploit movie, film and game studios to get their entertainment for as cheap as possible. Circle of life; business as usual🙃
Isn’t that piracy, too: owner class stealing labor from working class.
Wage theft is actually by far the biggest kind of theft in the US, and film studios and game studios are well known culprits. And piracy has absolutely zero impact on that wage theft. You make a good argument.
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There’s a drive in cinema in my city surrounded by residential houses. If you look over your fence you can see the screen, and if you have a radio you can tune into the audio. Free movies nearly every night of the week.
I love this.
It’s more important to me to consider the ethics or morality of the situation rather than the legality. Laws, especially in the US, are built to protect those in power, aka those with money. In all of those situations, you’d be considered a thief. But the idea that education is a commodity is immoral in the first place. So I have no qualms about the classroom and workshop. The cinema either.
Imagine owning a farm where you grow the same crop as your neighbor’s farm, the only difference is that you’re using natural seeds, but your neighbor is using genetically modified seeds that were licensed from a mega corp. Wind comes along and your neighbor’s plants cross pollinate with yours, you know, nature being nature. Guess what, you’re now being sued by the mega corp for stealing their IPO.
And that actually happens smh
Well a lot of people think there is no moral consumption under capitalism anyway, so what’s the difference?
I was recently able to achieve the Pinnacle of my movie going career with a little planning ahead. Went and bought tickets to Evil Dead Rise, then it ended with enough time that if we waited for the credits to roll most of the way through, we could walk right into the Mario movie, and then did the same into John Wick 4.
And because the theater will let you choose your seats, all you have to do is check before you go how full they are and if you really want to know, check maybe thirty minutes before the next movie starts, and see what seats are available. They’re usually static web pages, so you can just have a tab open and refresh it. Then there’s no conflicts… you just walk in and sit down in seats you know are empty.
Theater employees don’t give a fuck, they’re too underpaid to care.
Lmfao
How I’ve dealt with morals is that if you steal a book from a bookstore, the bookstore now has one less book. But if you took a notebook and went to the bookstore and started hand copying, word for word, when you’re done, you can leave with your notebook but the bookstore owner haven’t lost anything. I know hand copying a book is implausible, but what if you had superhuman writing speeds? Therefore, using technology like cameras shouldn’t be any different than hand copying it.
So I concluded with: Digital Piracy =/= Theft.
Now whether digital piracy is moral or not, I don’t care. I’m not stealing, I ain’t a theif. Whether I pirated a book, or if I never even existed in the world, the result is the same: The bookstore never loses anything.
They lose a potential buyer, that is, you. Which is why books are plastic sealed.
Now if you don’t have the means to pirate the book, would you buy it?
Now if you don’t have the means to pirate the book, would you buy it?
That’s the question, really. Would one just buy it or would one just go “welp, guess I’m too poor for that!” and just never watch the movie or read the book? I can tell you which one I am, I am poor, so I would just not watch, read, or listen to shit. No art for the poor I suppose.
But also, it’s hard to feel bad when you’re torrenting stuff like Mars Needs Women, I’m not even sure the production company still exists, most people involved in making it are likely dead, and I don’t have the energy much less the money to try and track down the ONE streaming service it may be on. I don’t watch things made after '09, and I don’t watch popular things at all, for some of this stuff the only way to get it is piracy or buying a used DVD or VHS from some schmuck on ebay who thinks his VG+ copy of Petey Wheatstraw on VHS is worth Shantae money (it isn’t.)
Not the other guy but piracy isn’t an automatic loss of sale. I’ve bought plenty of things I originally wouldn’t have, because piracy was my “skimming the book” before buying. Not being able to pirate is like seeing the plastic wrapped book and going “I’ll just look for something else then, I don’t want to waste my money on something I’m not sure I’ll like”.
If someone has decided to pirate something, they had already decided it wasn’t worth buying to begin with, they were already a “lost” sale.
You wouldn’t download a car, would you?
Everyone decides their own morals.
what would you be stealing?
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I wouldn’t say that peeking through the view is immoral.
But it is probably immoral to drill a hole into the cinema wall to create this peeping view without the permission of the cinema owner.
Thou shalt not drill a hole the cinema wall
Nope. Why would it be?
