• NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world
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          your angry mob.

          By which I guess you mean Amnesty International , Human Rights Watch, and the vast majority of international human rights non profits, the EU, and the vast majority of UN member state? Yeah buddy, it’s just an internet mob condemning apartied Israel’s daily war crimes.

          But you do you. Spend your day defending crimes against humanity. I’m sure history will look back on people like you fondly and you won’t have any regrets.

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            So you’re here to criticize me for debating this stuff online too much… by baiting me into debating it more online. K.

            • Apartheid: 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab with full rights and aren’t kept legally separated, (what apartheid literally means.) Weird apartheid. Maybe Israel’s behaviors are in fact motivated by safety and not ethnic or religious discrimination, and they just happen to be under attack by a homogeneous group.

            • Crimes against humanity: plenty of those to go around in this conflict, I don’t see collateral damage when attacking valid military targets as a crime against humanity, I don’t believe it is illegal under international law, nor do I see not supplying an actively belligerent enemy with resources to be a crime against humanity, I find it absurd when others suggest that Israel should have to provide supply lines for its aggressor, I can’t speak for others.

            Are you just gonna follow me around and repeat the concern troll buzzwords: It’s genocide! It’s apartheid! It’s crimes against humanity! You ought to be ashamed! Think of the children! Or, do you want to get into the merits of these accusations? Even better, suggest a better viable option than Israel’s response that doesn’t cost them dearly in Israeli lives, because I still haven’t heard one.

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              Maybe educate yourself on apartheid. It does not mean keeping groups separated, it means governmental action to systematically privilege a group of people. Human Rights Watch declared Israel an apartheid state in 2021 and issues a detailed report.

              International criminal law, including the 1973 International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid and the 1998 Rome Statute to the International Criminal Court, define apartheid as a crime against humanity consisting of three primary elements: (1) an intent by one racial group to dominate another; (2) systematic oppression by the dominant group over the marginalized group; and (3) particularly grave abuses known as inhumane acts.

              Racial group is understood today also to encompass treatment on the basis of descent and national or ethnic origin. International criminal law also identifies a related crime against humanity of persecution. Under the Rome Statute and customary international law, persecution consists of severe deprivation of fundamental rights of a racial, ethnic, or other group with discriminatory intent.

              The ratification by the State of Palestine of these two treaties in recent years has strengthened the legal application of these two crimes in its territory. A ruling by a chamber of the International Criminal Court (ICC) earlier this year confirmed that it has jurisdiction over war crimes and crimes against humanity – including apartheid and persecution – committed in the Occupied Palestinian Territory since 2014.

              Across Israel and the occupied territory, Human Rights Watch found that Israeli authorities have pursued an intent to privilege Jewish Israelis at the expense of Palestinians. They have done so by undertaking policies aimed at mitigating what they openly describe as the “demographic threat” Palestinians pose and maximizing the land available for Jewish communities, while concentrating most Palestinian in dense enclaves. The policy takes different forms and is pursued in a particularly severe form in the occupied territory. It includes efforts to, as leading Israelis officials have put it, “Judaize” the Negev and Galilee regions of Israel and to maintain “a solid Jewish majority,” as described in government planning documents, in the Jerusalem municipality, which includes the eastern part of Jerusalem, which Israel unilaterally annexed and occupies. It also encompasses efforts to “settle [Jews in] the land between the [Palestinian] minority population centers and their surroundings” in the West Bank, as set out in plans that have guided the government’s settlement, and to pursue “separation” between the West Bank and Gaza. The policy across the board serves the same fundamental goal: maximum land, minimum Palestinians.

              Furthermore, we found that Israeli authorities have carried out the grave abuses needed for the crimes of apartheid and persecution against Palestinians living in the occupied territory. It has done so through, among other policies, sweeping restrictions on movement in the form of the 14-year generalized closure of Gaza and the discriminatory permit system in the West Bank; the confiscation of more than a third of the land in the West Bank; and denial of residency rights to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and their relatives. Israel has imposed draconian military rule over millions of Palestinians, suspending their basic civil rights, while Jewish Israelis living in the same territory are governed under the permissive Israeli civil law; and imposed harsh conditions in parts of the West Bank that led to forcing thousands of Palestinians out of their homes.

              Applying the facts to the laws, Human Rights Watch concluded that Israeli authorities are committing the crimes against humanity of apartheid and persecution. We found that the elements of the crimes come together in the occupied territory as part of a single Israeli government policy. That policy is to maintain the domination by Jewish Israelis over Palestinians across Israel and the occupied territory. It is coupled in the occupied territory with systematic oppression and inhumane acts against Palestinians living there.

              As for crimes against humanity, your defense is just “but the other side does it too!” and “I think war crimes against Palestinians are fine since they are in the best interest of Israel!” Which is why I don’t think your a serious person, and I’ve already spent too much time engaging with you.

              Please, resume your shilling for one of histories monsters.

    • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      dropping support for biden because of this seems silly since biden is four years but the two supreme court justices that will almost certainly be picked in the next four years are forever.