Lemmy.ml is run and was started by the developers of Lemmy. The developers themselves align with lemmygrad, however they try to keep their politics out of lemmy.ml for the most part. It’s debateable how effective they are with this, it probably ebbs and flows somewhat.
Moderation without informing you is common across all lemmy instances. Moderators have to go out of their way to notify you, there are no automated messages to go along with moderator action. However, lemmy has always had an open modlog, so you can see why you were moderated if you look it up. Note: sometimes I’ve had difficulty loading the modlog, particularly the instance modlog (where an overall instance ban would be), though community modlogs tend to load fine.
Also, you should bear in mind the difference between instance admin and community moderators - a community moderator is allowed to run their community as they see fit, within the rules of the instance (like reddit was supposed to be). If a moderator wants to ban you, they may have every right to per the instance rules, even if they have no good justification or you didn’t break any rules.
Certainly, the hexbear admin are just as bad as the hexbear moderators, and will throw bans around for dubious reasons while protecting their own committing the same offence. Lemmygrad moderators seem a little less eager to ban, but they’re still looking for any excuse. I haven’t had any encounters with lemmy.ml moderation though, but I wouldn’t consider the place a dumpster fire - that title firmly belongs to hexbear.
One good reason to keep lemmy.ml is simply to keep up with lemmy back-end development.
the modlogs are public, anyone can just go on hexbear, plug in your name and see why you got banned:
here’s one of your removed comments:
mod
Removed Comment Actually Palestinians started the violence. They fought a war, they lost. That doesn’t excuse anything Israel has done, but credit where credit is due. Hamas are not freedom fighters, that isn’t their goal. Their goal is to eradicate anyone that doesn’t share their beliefs. Freedom for the people of Palestine and peace in the region, but the likes of Hamas and Netanyahu can suck a bag of each others’ virgin dicks. by
[email protected]
the reason you were site banned was because you were having a meltdown over getting a comm ban for your genocide apologia (lmao)
mod
Banned
[email protected]
reason: convicted on purgery (malding over a comm ban :farquaad-point:)
Yes, that was shitty of me. It was a sarcastic comment against someone else (hence the :P), who also had their comments removed because they were behaving worse. But on Uplifting News, my comment really wasn’t appropriate regardless. I deserved to have those comments removed as well as the brief temporary ban there. That was good moderation.
However that has nothing to do with hexbear or anything we’re talking about here.
Focusing specifically on the comment I had removed from hexbear (quoted above), and the message I sent which led to the site ban (you can find that on Chapo from around that time), how was I being an asshole? How was my comment “genocide apologia” and how was I “malding” in the message?
I don’t think you can actually back that up with any sound reasoning. Hence, the moderators at hexbear are shit, which makes the place a dumster fire.
Lol you think I hadn’t already checked that during this discussion? I don’t need to go to hexbear to see it, lemm.ee is still federated so it shows up in my local modlog. What’s weird is that my ban on lemmy.ml doesn’t for some reason, it looks like a bug where it didn’t federate through properly - the comments shown as removed on the lemmy.ml modlog are still there on lemm.ee.
here’s one of your removed comments:
mod Removed Comment Actually Palestinians started the violence. They fought a war, they lost. That doesn’t excuse anything Israel has done, but credit where credit is due. Hamas are not freedom fighters, that isn’t their goal. Their goal is to eradicate anyone that doesn’t share their beliefs. Freedom for the people of Palestine and peace in the region, but the likes of Hamas and Netanyahu can suck a bag of each others’ virgin dicks. by [email protected]
So what exactly in that is genocide apologia? Just because I’m criticising Palestinian attacks gone past does not mean I support Israel’s response in any way. The comment literally finishes with me criticising both sides - ie, implying that all genocide is wrong.
the reason you were site banned was because you were having a meltdown over getting a comm ban for your genocide apologia (lmao)
It wasn’t a meltdown, the message I sent was very tame - sarcastically thanking him for getting me banned. Feel free to dig it up, it was posted on Chapo. You’d struggle to call it “malding” - but then, that’s what you’re all about isn’t it? Slapping a bullshit label that really doesn’t fit, then arguing against that label. It’s a form of scarecrow argument, one that is completely transparent when you actually look at it.
I didn’t “both side” the genocide - that would be saying that both sides are justified in committing genocide. I’m saying anyone who commits genocide is wrong. Meanwhile, there are a bunch of people caught up in the middle of it all. You would apparently dehumanise one portion of these people, because you value the other portion more. That is reprehensible.
In any case, we’re not talking about my justification, we’re talking about hexbear moderators’ justification - of which there apparently is none. Thus, my point stands: hexbear is a dumpster fire; and that implies that hexbear devotees are trashy.
There is an active genocide happening, and I wish Israel would stop.
That doesn’t mean I agree with the coordinated strike by Hamas on 7 October. Frankly, I don’t think any reasonable person could see that as achieving any useful objective for the safety of Palestinian people. It was highly effective at killing Israelis, but the net result could only have been more suffering for Palestine.
There’s definitely no easy solution - if there was the problem would have been solved by now. All anyone can say is that what’s happening now is wrong. Meanwhile, there are many people profiting from the situation. Warmongers gotta monger some war.
My view is that Netanyahu wants to benefit from war, and that Hamas have been encouraged by people who want the same. 50 years isn’t all that long ago to most people, but hardly anyone in Palestine is old enough to remember the last Yom Kippur war.
Hamas is a creation of Israels own actions. They have a history of erratic behavior politically including fighting alongside ISIS. They are still the elected government such as it is. It’s absolutely sickening seeing comfortable westerners acting like they have some kind of right to pass judgment on people living in such a situation. They fight back however they can, and it’s not going to be pretty because war and colonial occupation is not clean.
There is a simple solution, but it would either require Israel to stop being an ethnostate or stop existing so that a government which represents everyone in occupied Palestine can exist.
Imagine if Hamas had only targeted military installations in their attack, allowing almost everyone at the festival to flee and not raiding villages. Their incursion was incredibly effective - they could still have used drones to take out cell phone towers and prove that Netanyahu’s early warning system was deeply flawed, and sniped the skeleton crew in the guard towers, then they could have focused their efforts on infrastructure damage to the military base or other legitimate targets. Hell, they probably even could have still taken a few hostages to use for actual negotiations - and in this scenario negotiations would be far more realistic to happen.
Exercising restraint would have presented a far better underdog for the world to get behind. It would have clearly shown that Israel’s defence was weak. Instead, they allowed themselves to be riled up by their financial backers and went on a killing spree, putting the focus squarely on them, not Israel. Most people don’t even know how they did it, just what they did when they got in, because what they did was so shocking. This played right into the hands of people who just wanted an excuse to expend some ordnance and kill them all.
There is a simple solution, but it would either require Israel to stop being an ethnostate or stop existing
It’s simple to say that, but the practical application of doing that is anything but simple.
Lemmy.ml is run and was started by the developers of Lemmy. The developers themselves align with lemmygrad, however they try to keep their politics out of lemmy.ml for the most part. It’s debateable how effective they are with this, it probably ebbs and flows somewhat.
Moderation without informing you is common across all lemmy instances. Moderators have to go out of their way to notify you, there are no automated messages to go along with moderator action. However, lemmy has always had an open modlog, so you can see why you were moderated if you look it up. Note: sometimes I’ve had difficulty loading the modlog, particularly the instance modlog (where an overall instance ban would be), though community modlogs tend to load fine.
Also, you should bear in mind the difference between instance admin and community moderators - a community moderator is allowed to run their community as they see fit, within the rules of the instance (like reddit was supposed to be). If a moderator wants to ban you, they may have every right to per the instance rules, even if they have no good justification or you didn’t break any rules.
Certainly, the hexbear admin are just as bad as the hexbear moderators, and will throw bans around for dubious reasons while protecting their own committing the same offence. Lemmygrad moderators seem a little less eager to ban, but they’re still looking for any excuse. I haven’t had any encounters with lemmy.ml moderation though, but I wouldn’t consider the place a dumpster fire - that title firmly belongs to hexbear.
One good reason to keep lemmy.ml is simply to keep up with lemmy back-end development.
the modlogs are public, anyone can just go on hexbear, plug in your name and see why you got banned:
here’s one of your removed comments:
the reason you were site banned was because you were having a meltdown over getting a comm ban for your genocide apologia (lmao)
People finding out that their history of being an asshole is public information will never not be funny
Be specific, which part of that was me being an asshole?
This, nonchalantly being a prick
Yes, that was shitty of me. It was a sarcastic comment against someone else (hence the :P), who also had their comments removed because they were behaving worse. But on Uplifting News, my comment really wasn’t appropriate regardless. I deserved to have those comments removed as well as the brief temporary ban there. That was good moderation.
However that has nothing to do with hexbear or anything we’re talking about here.
Focusing specifically on the comment I had removed from hexbear (quoted above), and the message I sent which led to the site ban (you can find that on Chapo from around that time), how was I being an asshole? How was my comment “genocide apologia” and how was I “malding” in the message?
I don’t think you can actually back that up with any sound reasoning. Hence, the moderators at hexbear are shit, which makes the place a dumster fire.
Lol you think I hadn’t already checked that during this discussion? I don’t need to go to hexbear to see it, lemm.ee is still federated so it shows up in my local modlog. What’s weird is that my ban on lemmy.ml doesn’t for some reason, it looks like a bug where it didn’t federate through properly - the comments shown as removed on the lemmy.ml modlog are still there on lemm.ee.
So what exactly in that is genocide apologia? Just because I’m criticising Palestinian attacks gone past does not mean I support Israel’s response in any way. The comment literally finishes with me criticising both sides - ie, implying that all genocide is wrong.
It wasn’t a meltdown, the message I sent was very tame - sarcastically thanking him for getting me banned. Feel free to dig it up, it was posted on Chapo. You’d struggle to call it “malding” - but then, that’s what you’re all about isn’t it? Slapping a bullshit label that really doesn’t fit, then arguing against that label. It’s a form of scarecrow argument, one that is completely transparent when you actually look at it.
I don’t care about your justification for both siding an ongoing genocide
I didn’t “both side” the genocide - that would be saying that both sides are justified in committing genocide. I’m saying anyone who commits genocide is wrong. Meanwhile, there are a bunch of people caught up in the middle of it all. You would apparently dehumanise one portion of these people, because you value the other portion more. That is reprehensible.
In any case, we’re not talking about my justification, we’re talking about hexbear moderators’ justification - of which there apparently is none. Thus, my point stands: hexbear is a dumpster fire; and that implies that hexbear devotees are trashy.
There is an active genocide happening, and you are going “all lives matter” because the brown people are being violent and resisting.
There is an active genocide happening, and I wish Israel would stop.
That doesn’t mean I agree with the coordinated strike by Hamas on 7 October. Frankly, I don’t think any reasonable person could see that as achieving any useful objective for the safety of Palestinian people. It was highly effective at killing Israelis, but the net result could only have been more suffering for Palestine.
There’s definitely no easy solution - if there was the problem would have been solved by now. All anyone can say is that what’s happening now is wrong. Meanwhile, there are many people profiting from the situation. Warmongers gotta monger some war.
My view is that Netanyahu wants to benefit from war, and that Hamas have been encouraged by people who want the same. 50 years isn’t all that long ago to most people, but hardly anyone in Palestine is old enough to remember the last Yom Kippur war.
Hamas is a creation of Israels own actions. They have a history of erratic behavior politically including fighting alongside ISIS. They are still the elected government such as it is. It’s absolutely sickening seeing comfortable westerners acting like they have some kind of right to pass judgment on people living in such a situation. They fight back however they can, and it’s not going to be pretty because war and colonial occupation is not clean.
There is a simple solution, but it would either require Israel to stop being an ethnostate or stop existing so that a government which represents everyone in occupied Palestine can exist.
Anyone murdering civilians is sickening.
Imagine if Hamas had only targeted military installations in their attack, allowing almost everyone at the festival to flee and not raiding villages. Their incursion was incredibly effective - they could still have used drones to take out cell phone towers and prove that Netanyahu’s early warning system was deeply flawed, and sniped the skeleton crew in the guard towers, then they could have focused their efforts on infrastructure damage to the military base or other legitimate targets. Hell, they probably even could have still taken a few hostages to use for actual negotiations - and in this scenario negotiations would be far more realistic to happen.
Exercising restraint would have presented a far better underdog for the world to get behind. It would have clearly shown that Israel’s defence was weak. Instead, they allowed themselves to be riled up by their financial backers and went on a killing spree, putting the focus squarely on them, not Israel. Most people don’t even know how they did it, just what they did when they got in, because what they did was so shocking. This played right into the hands of people who just wanted an excuse to expend some ordnance and kill them all.
It’s simple to say that, but the practical application of doing that is anything but simple.