To be clear: I prefer to pay for things instead of having to see ads but 13€ / month!? For a meta product that has inherently user-hostile design patterns even without ads?

Who does this appeal to?

    • AshyrEnglish
      35·
      1 year ago

      It’s not talking to people that’s damaging. Being able to socialize and discuss via media is healthy.

      The damaging component is when an algorithm pushes unhealthy content because it drives engagement.

      No one set out to create a rage/depression/anxiety algorithm, but those emotions tend to drive engagement better than more positive experiences. So if engagement is the goal, you get destructive systems.

      Removing the algorithm does a lot for helping people engage with their peers and society at large in a more constructive context.

    • LanternEverywhere@kbin.social
      104·
      1 year ago

      No it’s not. Social media is where you know who the other person is and/or they know who you are. This is an anonymous forum, not social media.

      • Instigate@aussie.zoneEnglish
        74·
        1 year ago

        Social media are interactive technologies that facilitate the creation and sharing of content, ideas, interests, and other forms of expression through virtual communities and networks. While challenges to the definition of social media arise due to the variety of stand-alone and built-in social media services currently available, there are some common features:

        • Social media are interactive Web 2.0 Internet-based applications.
        • User-generated content—such as text posts or comments, digital photos or videos, and data generated through all online interactions—is the lifeblood of social media.
        • Users create service-specific profiles for the website or app that are designed and maintained by the social media organization.
        • Social media helps the development of online social networks by connecting a user’s profile with those of other individuals or groups.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media

        Lemmy fits those criteria very well, and there’s nothing regarding anonymous profiles vs identified profiles. It may not be the only definition of social media, but it’s comprehensive and sensible.

        • Claidheamh@slrpnk.netEnglish
          71·
          1 year ago

          Then email is also social media, Google docs is social media, phpBB is social media, Amazon review sections are social media, even Pornhub comment sections are social media, and so on…

          If Lemmy fits the criteria, then so does 95% of the internet. Not a very useful definition, in that case.

          • Instigate@aussie.zoneEnglish
            42·
            1 year ago

            Yeah, I guess under that definition any web-based application that allows for a person to create an account/profile and generate and post content is a form of social media. That makes sense when you consider that they’re media that allow for social interaction.

            What’s your definition of social media? Genuinely interested because I’m not sure that there even is a single definition that can be agreed upon.

            I think the whole public vs anonymous profiles thing doesn’t really stack up, as I can create profiles on Facebook, Instagram, X, TikTok etc and provide no identifying information about myself, much as I do on Lemmy. I can also choose to add a profile picture and info about myself to identify myself on Lemmy if I choose, much as people do on other social media.

            If your definition only includes those platforms that force you fully identify yourself in order to maintain a profile, that list will be pretty small and exclude a lot of sites that the vast majority would consider to be social media, including the ones I’ve named above.

            • Claidheamh@slrpnk.netEnglish
              3·
              1 year ago

              You might be able to create profiles anonymously, but you can’t use those services anonymously. They only work if you have other people added as friends or whatever, unlike content aggregators like lemmy or reddit, where you can be as anonymous as you want and still interact with all features of the site.

              I think that narrows it down enough. If you can use all features of the platform without personally knowing anyone on it, it’s not social media.

      • snail_stampede@midwest.socialEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Most definitions of social media are some form of “sharing content for the purpose of socializing in a public manner”. I wouldn’t think having a real life identity linked to your account would be a requirement for a social network. Why wouldn’t reddit, lemmy, or even an old school forum be considered social media? You’re sharing and discussing content on a community platform. I dunno, just something I’ve been thinking about recently as I’m using lemmy more.