“Journalist” -> “Hamas fighter”
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Ignoring 75 years of history and conflict.
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Truly Israel is the victim here, those evil Palestinians trying to take their homeland back are just too much!
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- The Land of Palestine: A Brief Overview Palestine is a geographical region located in the Eastern Mediterranean, bordered by modern-day Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon. It is part of the broader area known as the Levant, which has been a crossroads of various civilizations throughout history.
Before 1948, Palestine was home to a diverse population of Arabs, Jews, and Christians, as all groups had religious ties to the area, especially the city of Jerusalem. The land itself was under the control of various empires, such as the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, and eventually the Islamic Caliphate and the Ottoman Empire.
https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3700m.gla00129/?sp=10&r=-0.249,0.355,1.545,0.93,0
https://www.ebay.com/b/Postal-Card-Stationery-Palestinian-Postal-Stamps-Pre-1948/98957/bn_73555113
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Palestine is not attacking them. A terrorist organization is attacking them.
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There is no military solution to this conflict.
Well, there is, but it’s rather final
I honestly don’t think there is any possibility of any two state solution to the conflict.
Either the land becomes entirely Israel, or entirely Palestine, or the conflict continues.
I honestly don’t think they will ever be able to coexist peacefully, and that’s unfortunate.
Under the first two the conflict will continue
Iran needs to lead in reasonable peace talks but at this time they seem unwilling
I don’t think Israel will ever allow Iran to lead peace talks, they aren’t exactly friends.
I should have said “from their side”
But Iran turning against Hamas is best for Palestinians and Israel would have to be willing to give concessions
These disgusting cultists have been fighting for well over a thousand years.
I’m just referring specifically to the Israel-Palestine conflict, not the broader Jewish-Muslim conflict.
You say that as if you think it hasn’t been tried before.
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Oh fugg off with this whataboutism. No shit fuck Hamas. I don’t know anyone who actually support them except fringe, terminally online leftists. As Palestinian civilians (read: children) die people decry and ask dO yOu ConDemN HaMas?! I watched a video after one of the, bombings by israel, of people transported injured on a mattress. One of the individuals was a child with their head blown open. A fucking child.
Do you condemn Israel?!? Do you condemn Israel??? Do you condemn Israel???
Every dead civilian is one too much.
If this was America people would be going so hard against Israel. But of course they need to “defend” themselves from the Palestinian children. They have to bomb hospitals, ambulances, refugee camps, schools, and murder journalists.
White Americans: WE STOLE THIS LAND 400 YEARS AGO, GET OVER IT!
Also White Americans: ISRAEL BELONGED TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE 2000+ YEARS AGO, THEY DESERVE IT NOW!
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Not to mention that nearly every known map we have from all eras of time prior to 1950 show that region as Palestine.
Why is does that gets down voted? Every Time someone says: “Hey Hamas is also doing atrocious things, lets blame both!” People get so ridiculously pissed off. And I have no Idea why.
But I’m with you on this one! Fuck Hamas. They are Terrorist and the civilians of Palestine deserve so much more then these bastards.
Yeah Fuck the Warsaw uprising. There’s no Reason to ever rise up against your oppressors. They should be content to go through the legal process to change things. Israel has never committed actions that make peaceful protest impossible, like shooting over 3000 Palestinians who were in a peaceful dance off at the edge of their concentration camp. I mean, Israel is only going after Hamas, it’s not like they’ve been systematically bombing the West Bank, where there is no Hamas presence. They’re only going after the leadership, which is why they’re bombing Lebanon, not Gaza, because as we all know, none of Hamas leadership resides in Gaza.
You just set up a pretty Strawmen here. I’ve said nothing about any of this. You just sling this at me with no real connection, so it’s basically angry rambling with nothing inside.
I am concerned about any civilians getting killed or harmed in any way. But you seem to be angry that I say it’s not okay to kill civilians for anyone. Why is that?
Why can’t you just acknowledge that it’s not okay to kill civilians of any kind? Or is it that you just want a special group of civilians killed? Please tell me because now you just seem to support the killing of a group of civilians you don’t like for what reason whatsoever.
Settlers aren’t civilians, they are agents of the state whose express purpose is to colonize and settle lands the settler colonial nation state they represent have claimed. It’s the same reason that the US sent settlers ahead of where they intended to dispossess indigenous groups. It gives a cover for their inevitable escalatory retaliation when the indigenous are forced to turn to violence to protect themselves. These tactics have been analyzed for hundreds of years, and they don’t work on people who actually read history. If you want to be an Israeli civilian, live in Israel’s territory, not the illegally occupied settlements.
But Hamas is not only targeting settlers. Even IF they were agents, which is just a complete exaggeration. So again, why don’t you say killing civilians is wrong? Why do you want to defend people who willingly target them?
It’s not only not an exaggeration, it’s a clearly stated intention of settler colonist societies. Maybe read some history books, I can recommend a few.
Do you condemn the Warsaw Uprising? They didn’t target only Nazis, so they must have been unjustified, right?
You know what? I don’t feel like dealing with you. You will not change your mind and neither do I. And both of us can’t change a thing about this war. So I’m done with you.
Why do you always distract? Please answer.
Taliban, Hamas, ISIS, MAGA, Zionism I think we can all agree are bad and shouldn’t be engaged or listened to or donated to.
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And as per the recent interviews it’s intentional, “we need the blood of Palestinian children” or however these sick fucks put it.
What’s with the black rectangle in the corner? Did someone decide to deliberately cut off the artist’s credit?
Probably, that’s the conclusion I came to also. Or maybe the original was for the company that made the template and they didn’t want to make people think that company made it made the meme? Idk.
Oh yeah, like a “9gag” watermark or whatever? Definitely possible, good point.
If i dislike the company or the watermark I usually just copy the hex value of the background and hide it that way
My guess is Tiktok, since they put a watermark about that size in the bottom right.
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Totally kill a bunch of civilians including kids with bombs then! Totally fair.
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lol you are really so dishonest to say that the only choices are to bomb a bunch of children and civilians or do nothing at all.
Dude is a literal nazi. Just now compared Palestinians to dogs arguing with me.
Fucking awesome. I’m a fucking nazi and I love killing children. All I need to do is say a terrorist (lol everyone who opposes me is a terrorist btw I’m a nazi, remember?) is hiding there and I can kill like 20 at a time. And the best part is I NEVER EVER HAVE TO SHOW EVIDENCE. The western media just repeats my press releases!
It works on hospitals. It works on refugee camps. It works when I target individual ambulances!
If the only solution I could think of to a problem was to bomb a school I would simply ask someone else to come up with better ideas.
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Didn’t say it was easy. I said bombing a school isn’t an option.
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This is a shit-tier excuse for bombing schools, regardless.
Yeah their take seems to ignore the fact that there’s other options than just drop a bomb on the school
ceasefire begin talks with the other Palestinian government that isnt Hamas
You can take the power away from Hamas by taking away palestinian people’s reason to be angry. But as it stands, Hamas is literally the Gazan government.
Genuine question - What would the realistic solution be?
I’m by no means absolving Israel. The voices of their government alone show that they don’t even try to prevent civilian casualties. But of the top of my head I don’t exactly see a solution. For example putting a foot on the ground would provoke their neighbors. They can’t just ignore Hamas either.
Israel funded Hamas and their policies basically created them. They’re an easier target for westernes than the secular PLO. Maybe the solution is ending apartheid and the illegal occupation? Maybe, and I know this is really crazy but, bombing the shit out of a group of people isn’t going to lead to less retaliation?
The PLO wanted to remove Israel from existence for most of the time it was in power, it’s not like they were saints either.
I never said they were saints?
But you very strongly implied it, stating the PLO is palatable.
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Hamas has asked for a ceasefire many times. Also why would they not agree to end the apartheid system? The only reason I could think of would be so they could garner more hate towards Israel. Hmm, but doesn’t that mean that it would be in Israel interest to end it to weaken Hamas?
A one state solution that results in the dissolution of the state of Israel entirely and the creation of a new state where Arabs aren’t held as second class citizens, where both groups live under the same laws and are prosecuted in the same Justice system.
“putting a foot on the ground”
You mean a ground invasion? Which they’ve already started. The bombing is just to minimise Israeli casualities.
Negotiation tactics don’t generally involve shooting through the hostage.
Well, this claim has been made by Israel, too, as if to say the tunnels are all underneath hospitals. But they showed a quickly made 3D rendering, not proof.
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True but two wronges don’t make a right. It is still wrong to bomb that school
So if someone attacks you and threatens to eradicate everyone in your country and has their rocket launchers on top of hospitals, hides their fighter in refugee camps, and has their operation offices under schools, what do you do:
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Nothing
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Tell all civilians to leave and bomb schools, hospitals and refugee camps.
The main problem is Hamas using Palestinians as shields. There is almost 0 uproar against Hamas in here. But its their fault Palestinians are dying.
There is plenty of uproar about Hamas everywhere.
The difference being that Hamas is a terrorist organization who has no ties to our allies. Israel, one of our biggest allies in the middle east, is the one who should be held to a higher standard and should know better than to carpet bomb half the place to kill 10x+ civilians than terrorists.
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I laughed but now I’m mad and sad. Fuck you Isreal.
Fuck Hamas, enemy of palestinians.
How about: fuck both. They’re both war criminals, so they both suck.
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I Aladeen this.
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You’re right, I can’t do much. But to say nothing we do matters is contrary to the evidence we have. Biden has gone from full throated support of Israel, to calling for a humanitarian pause, to warning them that their actions are dissolving support for them around the globe. A majority of Americans support a cease-fire, and that’s bipartisan support, republicans and democrats. The pressure is working, and no one should let up until the genocide is halted.
But suppose I concede that nothing I do will change anything, even collectively. All that means is that we’re set for WWIII. The Middle East is not going to watch the genocide of 2 million people happen without themselves retaliating. So, it’s either, we convince Israel to stop peacefully, or we risk the safety and security of the entire planet because some ethno-nationalists decided this was the perfect excuse to enact their Final Solution and we decided to fund it without any questions.
Israel is always begging for us to support them, their vile terrorist unhinged actions will make that argument super hard next round. Dems will control the Senate, House, and POTUS and they will not want to have dead kids all over their signatures and families from Israeli actions. They did this to themselves, they could have gone after Hamas instead of kids.
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