people that dont agree with your views despite them NOT being intolerant bigots
There are some views I have, that if you don’t agree with them, you are definitionally an intolerant bigot. I think trans people exist and are fully human. A lot of conservatives right now disagree with that; they think trans people are mentally ill and need to be cured of their transness. This makes them intolerant bigots. This itself is intolerable.
I understand that we have to live with these people. I’m not arguing that they should be executed or imprisoned for holding their views. But they should not be allowed to express those beliefs in some situations, and they should definitely not be allowed to enact those beliefs.
I fail to see how the mere belief that someone suffers from a mental illness makes someone a bigot. Like I said, you’re missing an element or two of what defines bigotry.
Uh, trans folks exist and are fully human of course but there is also a mental illness issue - their brain’s gender doesn’t match their body’s gender. This can be helped with transitioning and stuff but it is at its root a mental issue. Doesn’t make them less of a person and it doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get all the help and support they need to thrive. Doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t call them by their preferred stuff either. But it is a mental illness by definition. Just one that we should help with without judging, same as depression or anything else
Is being transgender a mental illness? No. Being transgender (or trans, for short) isn’t a mental health disorder. If you’re transgender, it means that you have a different gender identity than the one you were assigned at birth. (Gender identity is defined as the personal sense of one’s own gender.) The desire to convey your gender in the way you feel most authentic is a normal aspect of human expression.
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness (it’s listed in the DSM-5), and the best treatment we have for it is gender affirmation. But not all trans people have gender dysphoria. From that same page:
Some trans individuals don’t experience mental health issues at all. Others have mental health issues that aren’t related to being transgender. But for some, mental health and gender identity are related. Generally, this isn’t due to being transgender, but to the social stigma that often exists.
It sounds to me like you’re not intentionally bigoted, and you also don’t seem intolerant. But I think you’re misinformed on this one, and calling being trans a mental illness could be very hurtful to some. There’s a reason the cleveland clinic document literally starts with “Being transgender is not a mental illness”, in addition to having a section below that addresses it (which I quoted above).
You learn something new every day. I thought it was all covered under gender dysphoria, didn’t realize it was that wide of a spectrum. Thanks for the info!
There is a difference between an asshole (yourself) and people who hide behind this ‘paradox’ due to their disgusting, hateful, and bigoted views. A pretty significant difference. One is just an annoyance who, you’re right, I unfortunately have to deal with the existence of. However there are other people who take things way too far to the point of actively calling for the eradication, death, and other horrific things for people who have done nothing other than exist. They’re the ones who are not dealing with it. We’re just forced to have to respond on the same level.
Those are the people we’re talking about. Not you. Not everything is about you. Calm your tits and fuck off.
I dont believe in what you described because calling for segregation and violence in a very public place its punishable by law because its as bad as if you where doing it.
Not every person that is not agreable to your pov is a litteral nazi nor is calling for genocide.
You people keep bringing this up like if its a dogmatic mantra.
We have to live among assholes wathever we like it or not.
And you have to live among people that dont agree with your views despite them NOT being intolerant bigots and you have to deal with it.
Get over it already.
There are some views I have, that if you don’t agree with them, you are definitionally an intolerant bigot. I think trans people exist and are fully human. A lot of conservatives right now disagree with that; they think trans people are mentally ill and need to be cured of their transness. This makes them intolerant bigots. This itself is intolerable.
I understand that we have to live with these people. I’m not arguing that they should be executed or imprisoned for holding their views. But they should not be allowed to express those beliefs in some situations, and they should definitely not be allowed to enact those beliefs.
I feel like your missing something, because that belief alone wouldn’t make them intolerant bigots.
Counterpoint: yes it does
I fail to see how the mere belief that someone suffers from a mental illness makes someone a bigot. Like I said, you’re missing an element or two of what defines bigotry.
You sure do, bud
Still waiting for a thoughtful answer, pal.
My answers are thoughtful.
Uh, trans folks exist and are fully human of course but there is also a mental illness issue - their brain’s gender doesn’t match their body’s gender. This can be helped with transitioning and stuff but it is at its root a mental issue. Doesn’t make them less of a person and it doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get all the help and support they need to thrive. Doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t call them by their preferred stuff either. But it is a mental illness by definition. Just one that we should help with without judging, same as depression or anything else
This is false. From the cleveland clinic:
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness (it’s listed in the DSM-5), and the best treatment we have for it is gender affirmation. But not all trans people have gender dysphoria. From that same page:
It sounds to me like you’re not intentionally bigoted, and you also don’t seem intolerant. But I think you’re misinformed on this one, and calling being trans a mental illness could be very hurtful to some. There’s a reason the cleveland clinic document literally starts with “Being transgender is not a mental illness”, in addition to having a section below that addresses it (which I quoted above).
You learn something new every day. I thought it was all covered under gender dysphoria, didn’t realize it was that wide of a spectrum. Thanks for the info!
There is a difference between an asshole (yourself) and people who hide behind this ‘paradox’ due to their disgusting, hateful, and bigoted views. A pretty significant difference. One is just an annoyance who, you’re right, I unfortunately have to deal with the existence of. However there are other people who take things way too far to the point of actively calling for the eradication, death, and other horrific things for people who have done nothing other than exist. They’re the ones who are not dealing with it. We’re just forced to have to respond on the same level.
Those are the people we’re talking about. Not you. Not everything is about you. Calm your tits and fuck off.
Thanks know i know that i can send everything you just wrote down the toilet even if you had a good point.
I’ve seen what you makes you cheer. I couldn’t give less of a fuck about what makes you boo.
Yeah, no.
I can tolerate someone who doesn’t like milk in their tea.
I cannot tolerate someone who wants to wipe out every Muslim in the world.
Nor, do I believe, is that something I should have to tolerate.
Nor, do I believe, is that something any Muslim should have to.
And if you believe it is, then you are an idiot.
I dont believe in what you described because calling for segregation and violence in a very public place its punishable by law because its as bad as if you where doing it.
Not every person that is not agreable to your pov is a litteral nazi nor is calling for genocide.
No one was saying that so it’s either irrelevant or dishonest to bring that up.
Someone who rides your bumper because you’re not driving fast enough for them is an asshole.
Someone who doesn’t wear headphones while listening to their music on public transit is an asshole.
Someone who wants to supports enacting policies banning the existence of certain groups of people is a bigot.