Couple things here: Communism is Socialism, a form of it. Communism has never been “implemented” either, as it’s specifically a post-Socialist stage. The ML states you’re referring to were Socialist, and didn’t reach Communism.
Secondly, the ML states were ML states, and as such were deliberately adapting new theory proposed by Lenin and distilled by Stalin.
I’m in no way a Stalinist, or a simp for the USSR, your comment is just wrong.
By your very same logical chain, Capitalism is an ideology 400 years old that failed miserably every time, as well as Socialism. It’s meaningless word salad.
Hey, sorry if I pushed any buttons. I agree, a pure form of any of mentioned ideologies is bound to fail. In my POV and experience btw, we are better off with a free market, competition, and some kind of socialism net in order to not get “game overs”. I don’t know if I’m making sense to you, but again, just my 2cents.
No, I think we disagree here. Pure Communism is a good thing, it just takes time to build it. What the USSR had was a flawed version of Marxism-Leninism, which even if replicated today would not have the same set of issues it faced uniquely due to civil war, WWII, and Stalin. I don’t want a recreation of the USSR either, but I do want Communism as the end goal.
The Free Market is a sham and the profit motive results in stagnation, consumerism, Imperialism, and a lack of choice. Competition is only a good thing in the context of Capitalism and Markets. Social Safety Nets are not Worker Ownership of the Means of Production.
What you’re advocating for is Social Democracy, which is well and good compared to most Capitalist systems, but is straight up inferior to actual Socialism, as essentially its Capitalism but with band-aids.
It’s just a shame that this is not fully implemented in my country. We have a lot of means of production controlled by the state and cripple high taxes which promotes poverty, contrary to the end goals of socialism.
Marxist-Leninist. To simplify, Marx wrote some stuff, Lenin expanded on it and threw a revolution, shortly after which he fucking died. Stalin wrote a couple more sentences then distilled the ideology of Marxism-Leninism. That’s why you have non-Marxist-Leninist Marxists/Leninists like the ICP, as word-salady as that sounds.
The essential factor is the belief in the use of a Vanguard Party to carry out a revolution and build up a Socialist state to whither into Communism.
Couple things here: Communism is Socialism, a form of it. Communism has never been “implemented” either, as it’s specifically a post-Socialist stage. The ML states you’re referring to were Socialist, and didn’t reach Communism.
Secondly, the ML states were ML states, and as such were deliberately adapting new theory proposed by Lenin and distilled by Stalin.
I’m in no way a Stalinist, or a simp for the USSR, your comment is just wrong.
By your very same logical chain, Capitalism is an ideology 400 years old that failed miserably every time, as well as Socialism. It’s meaningless word salad.
Hey, sorry if I pushed any buttons. I agree, a pure form of any of mentioned ideologies is bound to fail. In my POV and experience btw, we are better off with a free market, competition, and some kind of socialism net in order to not get “game overs”. I don’t know if I’m making sense to you, but again, just my 2cents.
No, I think we disagree here. Pure Communism is a good thing, it just takes time to build it. What the USSR had was a flawed version of Marxism-Leninism, which even if replicated today would not have the same set of issues it faced uniquely due to civil war, WWII, and Stalin. I don’t want a recreation of the USSR either, but I do want Communism as the end goal.
The Free Market is a sham and the profit motive results in stagnation, consumerism, Imperialism, and a lack of choice. Competition is only a good thing in the context of Capitalism and Markets. Social Safety Nets are not Worker Ownership of the Means of Production.
What you’re advocating for is Social Democracy, which is well and good compared to most Capitalist systems, but is straight up inferior to actual Socialism, as essentially its Capitalism but with band-aids.
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I deleted my comment because you’re right, I’m advocating for a Social democracy. I went to Wikipedia after I commented, just to be sure 😅
Apologies.
wiki source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy#:~:text=It is characterized by a,care%2C and workers’%20compensation.
It’s just a shame that this is not fully implemented in my country. We have a lot of means of production controlled by the state and cripple high taxes which promotes poverty, contrary to the end goals of socialism.
what are ML states ?
Marxist-Leninist. To simplify, Marx wrote some stuff, Lenin expanded on it and threw a revolution, shortly after which he fucking died. Stalin wrote a couple more sentences then distilled the ideology of Marxism-Leninism. That’s why you have non-Marxist-Leninist Marxists/Leninists like the ICP, as word-salady as that sounds.
The essential factor is the belief in the use of a Vanguard Party to carry out a revolution and build up a Socialist state to whither into Communism.