Society knows it’s doing things that will do immense harm to the environment for many generations to come. So why can’t it change? We like donuts too much.
You are right, but if it weren’t for the amount of consumers and our growing appetite for conveniences the world would look hell of a lot differently.
Now we’re at a point where meaningful climate action would be a sacrifice so big not many of us selfish little pieces of shit would take. No more plastic, no more meat, no more cars, no more global overnight shipping for items you don’t even need. We’ve grown very accustomed to things we only just recently realized are extremely expensive and we cant afford them. Too bad that the people who make those things are even less willing to stop selling them to us, than we are to buy. We really are screwed, because one day it’ll all abruptly stop. There will be no gradual progression into the climate extinction. We will be pretending we’re not at fault until our dying breaths.
This is a stupid argument. Even ignoring the obvious whataboutism, it’s like arguing peasants were responsible for the Norman conquest because they didn’t ’advocate for Harold hard enough’, or because they ‘didn’t convince Edward the Confessor to have a child’.
Meh I don’t think you have a very clear understanding of this topic. The American public voted for gore, the British public voted for corbyn. Both elections were stolen. Oil companies spent vast unimaginable sums of money popularising the terms ‘climate change’ and ‘carbon footprint’ to minimise public conception and maximise the concept of personal responsibility. Global climate disaster is not a personal problem, it’s a systemic problem of governance, and it needs systemic governmental solutions.
I mean, people in the U.S. have the largest impact on the environment compared to other first-world countries. And first world countries have a much, much larger impact on the environment compared to the rest of the world. It’s not linear, either. I agree with the argument that much more culpability rests on those with more power, but I think that also translates into socioeconomic power individually.
I also agree that there is a blame-shifting propaganda campaign, but I think that also includes a point about not blaming consumerism, which also is a huge determinant in the status quo.
Personally, I think as usual, complex topics will have complex solutions; I think you’re both right up until the point where it excludes each other’s points. No-one is forcing anyone to choose only one thing to work on.
Oh, we can totally blame consumerism. We just can’t do so entirely and relieve ourselves of the burden of the future because we found a partial root cause.
While I’m a nihilist at heart, I can’t righteously shift the blame on to the average, dying-from-poverty < 38 year old. For decades, we’ve known that corporate interests are what drives the largest amount of climate change (and that it’s the engine that will likely kill all of us before a changing climate does). Not since the 90’s (arguably earlier) has it been an individual and his dollar.
Grow up and take a little responsibility in your communication.
Every one of my efforts could be wiped out by a single stroke of a pen, and they have been thousands of times over by billionaires making decisions that affect all of us.
“We” aren’t to blame because “we” aren’t running the show.
Yeah I don’t remember spilling 50,000 tons of crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico
You are right, but if it weren’t for the amount of consumers and our growing appetite for conveniences the world would look hell of a lot differently.
Now we’re at a point where meaningful climate action would be a sacrifice so big not many of us selfish little pieces of shit would take. No more plastic, no more meat, no more cars, no more global overnight shipping for items you don’t even need. We’ve grown very accustomed to things we only just recently realized are extremely expensive and we cant afford them. Too bad that the people who make those things are even less willing to stop selling them to us, than we are to buy. We really are screwed, because one day it’ll all abruptly stop. There will be no gradual progression into the climate extinction. We will be pretending we’re not at fault until our dying breaths.
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This is a stupid argument. Even ignoring the obvious whataboutism, it’s like arguing peasants were responsible for the Norman conquest because they didn’t ’advocate for Harold hard enough’, or because they ‘didn’t convince Edward the Confessor to have a child’.
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Meh I don’t think you have a very clear understanding of this topic. The American public voted for gore, the British public voted for corbyn. Both elections were stolen. Oil companies spent vast unimaginable sums of money popularising the terms ‘climate change’ and ‘carbon footprint’ to minimise public conception and maximise the concept of personal responsibility. Global climate disaster is not a personal problem, it’s a systemic problem of governance, and it needs systemic governmental solutions.
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I mean, people in the U.S. have the largest impact on the environment compared to other first-world countries. And first world countries have a much, much larger impact on the environment compared to the rest of the world. It’s not linear, either. I agree with the argument that much more culpability rests on those with more power, but I think that also translates into socioeconomic power individually.
I also agree that there is a blame-shifting propaganda campaign, but I think that also includes a point about not blaming consumerism, which also is a huge determinant in the status quo.
Personally, I think as usual, complex topics will have complex solutions; I think you’re both right up until the point where it excludes each other’s points. No-one is forcing anyone to choose only one thing to work on.
Oh, we can totally blame consumerism. We just can’t do so entirely and relieve ourselves of the burden of the future because we found a partial root cause.
It turns out it’s beef, not donuts.
While I’m a nihilist at heart, I can’t righteously shift the blame on to the average, dying-from-poverty < 38 year old. For decades, we’ve known that corporate interests are what drives the largest amount of climate change (and that it’s the engine that will likely kill all of us before a changing climate does). Not since the 90’s (arguably earlier) has it been an individual and his dollar.
Grow up and take a little responsibility in your communication.
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…but also the larger issue - younger generations have never had the economic power to invest in the outcome of the world, which kinda sucks, lol.
I’m sorry you don’t understand the conventions of the English language if that’s what you mean to imply.
I’m a furry. I bathe in trans content.
“Do not cite the Deep Magic to me, Witch. I was there when it was written.”
While I appreciate the comparison, don’t downtalk voting. Local laws are made and broken by small margins.
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Why… Fuck, you’re not from the States.
I still have a stale taste in my mouth for our conflicting opinions, but I can’t deny a different take on Capitalism from another country.
Edit: though I hope our communication was thoughtful and stimulating in spite of being down-putting.
Every one of my efforts could be wiped out by a single stroke of a pen, and they have been thousands of times over by billionaires making decisions that affect all of us.
“We” aren’t to blame because “we” aren’t running the show.
No, without the profiteers capitalizing on our desires the world would look a lot differently.