• DarkGamer@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    Netanyahu is doing the same political stuff Putin is doing.

    He’s simply not. Russia fakes elections in a way that lets us know they are faking elections and don’t give a shit:

    Our new research using election forensics techniques suggests that the 2016 Duma (legislative) election had the largest magnitude of fraud under Putin’s presidencies since 2000. What’s more, we suspect that the Russian government may have deliberately manipulated some results — in ways that show they’ve been reading papers on detecting election frauds!
    Metaphorically, we suspect the Russians may be giving us the statistical finger. They appear to be sending signals that they are on to election forensics researchers — while continuing to cheat, obviously, right in front of us.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/01/11/when-the-russians-fake-their-election-results-they-may-be-giving-us-the-statistical-finger/

    Bibi is trying to neuter the Justice system, which would be a power grab, and he is trying to intimidate voters, but he doesn’t outright fake elections. He’s not an autocrat, (not yet anyway.) He is still beholden to popular vote in a way that Putin never will be. And because of this democracy he’s likely to be removed from power soon.

    Putin just straight up murders and throws his political opponents in prison, en masse. He will be removed from power when he dies, and any claims of Russian democracy by the Federation are made in bad faith, to support comparisons like this one.

    “We conquered this so it’s ours” went away at the end of World War 2. The Israelis do not get some special dispensation to kill the locals and take their land. They can take the same deal settlers got in Africa. Become citizens of the unified successor state with democracy everyone gets to participate in

    That would have been nice. Jews started out by legally buying the land until a xenophobic Arab nationalist movement was whipped up and started a cycle of massacres, making a 1-state solution impossible, and the hostilities never stopped. Most of that land was taken as a result of failed wars waged against Israel.
    One doesn’t need a special dispensation for self-defense. Letting an enemy who outnumbers them and wants to drive them into the sea elect their leadership sounds like a terrible idea, that isn’t remotely viable today.

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      Right. I’m guessing you haven’t cracked a history book in the last decade or so.

      Israeli settlers were the ones who pushed the British out and then started burning out Palestinians. We have the British Army reports on it. At the end of the day Israel is nothing but a modern colonialist state. Winning the war doesn’t give you moral authority.

      And Bibi has already neutered the justice system. That law got passed.

      Edit - and repeating myself. Hamas doesn’t want to kill all Jews. That’s Israeli propaganda. Their charter lays out their specific demands. A return to the 1969 borders or the dissolution of the state of Israel. So a two state solution or a one state solution. Not a permanent occupation and Apartheid.