• DarkGamer@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    This conflict is long enough that either side has plenty of cassus belli to choose from, moral justification isn’t as relevant here as Gaza’s realpolitik situation. Hamas poked the bear, and started a war with a military conflict they cannot win against. No amount of outrage will change this. Israel’s response is totally predictable. Hamas wanted to start a war, and they got one; perhaps having them as leaders wasn’t a good idea. They clearly see Palestinians as expendable, and are happy to create a situation that causes many dead civilians provided they can parade them in front of cameras and make Israel look bad.

    all the articles I’ve seen on the subject have stated that no independent source has been able to confirm any of the propaganda that the IDF is putting out.

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/us-intelligence-hamas-gazas-al-shifa-hospital-hold/story?id=104887035

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      1 year ago

      Sorry to chime in on this - it was an interesting debate!

      The problem I have with your link (and I’m not really interested in getting into the other details, I’m too new to this conflict), is that it came from the white house - that’s screams of the IDF going to their big brother and asking for them to vouch for them - it’s like the least independent source possible (other than the IDF or Hamas, of course!)

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        Perhaps. It’s good to be skeptical but foolish to assume we know better than those who have access to intelligence we do not. It could be that they are making this up to support Israel, but far more likely they have similar sources for their information. The consequences for getting caught lying about something like this would be significant.

        For the record, it appears they were telling the truth. CNN just sent a reporter to Al-Shifa who verified Israel’s claims.

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          1 year ago

          Interesting!! So there’s definitely a tunnel and it’s unclear what it connects to…

          About time there was some clear data in amongst all the lies and half-truths. This will be a huge help for Israel if it proves significant, at least there’ll be some vindication

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            This is going to sound like a conspiracy theory so please view the footage to confirm for yourself, but Israel’s former PM says Israel built some kind of bunker under the hospital decades ago.

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              Fascinating! Thanks for the link. This means the mere existence of the tunnels isn’t enough to prove that they are in use by Hamas. I suspect they are, but I suppose they will have to continue to provide more evidence of that to conclusively prove it.

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                1 year ago

                Well that’s highly entertaining :) great Intel.

                I guess they’d be crazy not to use it as a base, it’s part of their whole approach, really (hide behind civilians, etc).

                Everything about this is just awful!