That’s a lot of labels. I won’t really get into them specifically because they’re all “kind of yes, kind of no”.

You raise a good point about how successful this movement could be. To be honest I’m using it more as a thought experiment to come up with all of the policy changes that would be needed for men to be on an even playing field with women in family law. In an ideal world we wouldn’t need the state to intervene in people’s personal relationships, but that world is far off. A set of specific reforms is more achievable in the short term.

Regarding supply and demand: altho there are a lot of naïve men out there that still believe in the Disney happily ever after, a lot of younger guys are being quickly disillusioned given the state of dating these days. If the old stereotype holds true, it’s mainly women who push for marriage. So here’s the main point on which a marriage strike would fail or succeed: we would have to get those top ~10% of desirable men to get on board. They are the only ones that really have the leverage. As the bottom ~90% of men are invisible to most women, their opting out marriage will largely go unnoticed.

In the end, we won’t know if it works unless we try it.

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1. is supposed to refer to “paper abortions” but I guess I didn’t phrase it very clearly.

Good point about the bias in family services. I wonder what could be done in terms of policy, aside from offering scholarships for men to get degrees in social work.

@Mshuser Is this the app by the same people being Are We Dating The Same Guy? I hope people start suing them for defamation.

@Mshuser

women think about safety all the time due to the paranoia they’ve been fed about men growing up.

I blame the recent obsession with true crime. “You are what you eat” applies to media consumption habits, too. If you spend all evening watching Fox News, you’ll think drag queens are coming after your kids. If you listen to podcasts about brutal, out-of-the-blue murders as a form of entertainment, you’ll see an axe-killer in every shadow.

These people form their worldviews based on these freak tragedies rather than the statistics that show people are far more likely to experience violence at the hands of someone they know than a stranger.

@Woozy

An egalitarian

In my experience it’s not just emotional vulnerability, but any kind of weakness which is a huge turn off for women. Last time this happened to me was when I had Covid and depended on my girlfriend to pick stuff up from the store for me. She dumped me right after I’d recovered.

I’m not sure how you got that from my comment that I was talking about feminism as a whole. You asked what we think about r/MensLib and that’s what I answered.

However, I did address feminism as a whole in the post I just made in this magazine.

They hosted an AMA with a guy who minimizes/denies that men can be victims of women aggressors. They tried to walk back some of the stuff he said, but didn’t outright apologize. They censor/minimize/deny a lot of other men’s issues. They are counterfeit, perhaps even a calculated disinformation campaign to co-opt the men’s movement.