Curious to hear people’s ideas on how education would look in such a world.

For me, I’d like to see it moved away from testing and results based learning.

A stronger focus on physical engagement with things, e.g. learning biology by going out and cataloging wildlife and learning what’s in a local ecosystem before coming together and researching findings and looking for new questions to ask.

Less sitting around at desks being fed information and a greater focus on individual agency in exploring topics of interest.

Not to say there isn’t a time and a place for “high level” stuff where you need to deep dive into books and listen to lectures, but there needs to be a greater balance in methodology.

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    Watching the trotsky movie radicalized me and getting to see some real examples from schools in the US. The idea that students should have a actual, measureable, legally accepted vote in how their school runs feels immoral not to have.

    At least a seat on the board. Make the student body president a meaningful thing to vote on instead a prom king figurative role!

    That said I do think parents and the community have a right to representation of their interests as well, so we may disagree on your last point.

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      See the video I sent the other guy. Parents rights are never just “we want representation of our community’s values and historical perspective to be presented in our children’s education”, it’s almost always “teaching girls actual sex ed means less teenage pregnancies for us to trap our daughters into underaged marriages with, so we’re going to demand you stop doing that because of ‘religious rights of the parents.’”

      It’s just a more centrist friendly coat of paint on the same crock of shit as “family values” politics, AKA "we religiously oppose any measure that takes this country further away from our ideal of an oligarchy of household heads who rule as indisputable tyrants over their households.

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        I guess to me that’s the price of democracy, even those people deserve a voice. Where I draw the line is where assume this gives them unfettered, unmediated rights over other people (their children).

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          No, they don’t, they deserve to sit the fuck down and let their kids get a solid education because society needs better taught citizens more than it needs the oh so virtuous God fearin’ folks the parents rights crowd think sabotaging their children’s education will produce.

          I can seldom identify a single instance in the present day where parents sticking their noses into what kids are allowed to learn has done ANYTHING to improve the quality of education their children receive.

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            I mean, what is the alternative to letting them have equal voting rights and having the rights to free speach as you and I?

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              Not letting them do that in the business of their children’s education but letting them have those rights everywhere else.

              It’s ridiculous to ask that doctors and AFAB patients allow concerned Christians into the examination room to vote on whether an abortion may proceed, it’s equally ridiculous to ask that students and teachers allow concerned parents into the classroom to vote on whether they’re allowed to learn that black people didn’t have the best time historically.

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                What if its the inverse though, teachers that don’t want critical race theory but parents wanting it?

                I’m not saying it as a hypothetical this just was my experience in school. My parents were way more progressive than the teachers were.

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                  See way back to the beginning where it’s the students increasingly deciding the course material democratically in my scenario.

                  Students check the teachers and teachers check the students, parents BTFO.

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                    So parents and the rest of society have no say in how its ran?