In this engaging discussion, I ask Hailey why she isn't vegan and she responds, 'It's a cultural thing.' We explore whether culture justifies animal abuse, d...
It’s a form of arrogant insanity. Veganism relies on the assumption that it’s right, and anyone not on board is wrong.
That’s the flaw of every religion on earth, even the ones that don’t necessarily push very hard to make others comply with their beliefs (jains, as an example). There’s still that underlying arrogance to it.
Now, not every individual vegan is a zealot, this is true. But not every cop is racist, not every republican a fascist in waiting, etc.
But any ism that starts with the principle that it is right “because”, with no other arguments possible, is destructive. And veganism is like that, it may not have started that way, but it collects “born agains” the same way other religions do. And they have turned what was possibly just a personal decision to act in a specific way into a movement that attempts to force others into that way.
Humans gonna human, it isn’t unique. But pretending that the movement as a whole isn’t the same as any religious movement relying on transmitted authority is just silly.
I would also argue that veganism is not about not being a dick to animals. That’s just the surface claim. Vegans are rarely okay with gentle treatment of livestock, such as keeping chickens or goats, and only using what comes from them. They’re even more rarely okay with small scale dairy, where there’s cows roaming pastures and getting milked without any maltreatment involved. And don’t get into a debate with one about scavenging when livestock like that dies naturally. That really gets them preachy.
They’ll throw out “ethics” this, and “ethics” that, and it all comes back to asking them “who says?”, with the answer being that it’s just right, and anything else is wrong.
They have decided that their ethical code is the only acceptable one for everyone.
If you think animal abuse is wrong, then being vegan is the only right decision to make.
Unlike most religions, veganism is based on reality - the reality of ubiquitous animal cruelty in factory farms and slaughterhouses.
It’s impossible to force another person to be vegan since it is an ethical philosophy. Being vegan requires the belief that supporting unnecessary animal cruelty is wrong, not just following a plant-based diet, and the action of not purchasing any animal products that aren’t necessary for one’s survival. In practice, it is a boycott and an effective harm reduction strategy.
Because non-vegans purchase the products of violence, vegans are forced to pay taxes that go on to subsidize animal agriculture or face imprisonment and live in communities with reduced accessibility in food systems. It’s not the other way around. Think of all the advertisements for animal products a person who is against killing animals sees on a daily basis that are paid for by your dollars when you buy dead bodies and secretions from fast food corporations.
This idea that the animals rights movement is forcing people to follow plant-based diets is ridiculous, and if you’re not vegan, you’re forcing animals to die. I didn’t force you to watch this video. I hope your conscience compels you to do better for animals that are suffering because of you, and if you do decide to cause less pain and suffering to them, that’s an internal force.
The breeders for small scale goat and cow dairy operations supply factory farms in most cases. Buying starter animals from these places keeps them in operation.
Animals cannot consent to giving their bodily secretions to humans. Chickens will often eat their own eggs and it improves their health. Cow milk is for baby cows, not humans.
If you buy any animal products from a grocery store, they’ve come from what you would think is a factory farm. Vital Farms Eggs for instance labels their eggs small family farm sourced, ethical, free range. But the farmers they source from still grind up baby male chicks on their first day of life because they can’t lay eggs. They gas the hens once they stop laying enough eggs.
[https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko ](This is a documentary called Dominion, it shows the reality of animal agriculture)
Do you think gassing animals to death and cutting their heads off is abusive?
If so, by your own definition, you’re are an animal abuser if you’re not vegan.
And if you don’t think gassing animals to death and cutting their heads off is abusive, that’s some pretty serious mental gymnastics.
Have you not seen what religious people do?
It’s a form of arrogant insanity. Veganism relies on the assumption that it’s right, and anyone not on board is wrong.
That’s the flaw of every religion on earth, even the ones that don’t necessarily push very hard to make others comply with their beliefs (jains, as an example). There’s still that underlying arrogance to it.
Now, not every individual vegan is a zealot, this is true. But not every cop is racist, not every republican a fascist in waiting, etc.
But any ism that starts with the principle that it is right “because”, with no other arguments possible, is destructive. And veganism is like that, it may not have started that way, but it collects “born agains” the same way other religions do. And they have turned what was possibly just a personal decision to act in a specific way into a movement that attempts to force others into that way.
Humans gonna human, it isn’t unique. But pretending that the movement as a whole isn’t the same as any religious movement relying on transmitted authority is just silly.
I would also argue that veganism is not about not being a dick to animals. That’s just the surface claim. Vegans are rarely okay with gentle treatment of livestock, such as keeping chickens or goats, and only using what comes from them. They’re even more rarely okay with small scale dairy, where there’s cows roaming pastures and getting milked without any maltreatment involved. And don’t get into a debate with one about scavenging when livestock like that dies naturally. That really gets them preachy.
They’ll throw out “ethics” this, and “ethics” that, and it all comes back to asking them “who says?”, with the answer being that it’s just right, and anything else is wrong.
They have decided that their ethical code is the only acceptable one for everyone.
That’s the bad thing.
If you think animal abuse is wrong, then being vegan is the only right decision to make.
Unlike most religions, veganism is based on reality - the reality of ubiquitous animal cruelty in factory farms and slaughterhouses.
It’s impossible to force another person to be vegan since it is an ethical philosophy. Being vegan requires the belief that supporting unnecessary animal cruelty is wrong, not just following a plant-based diet, and the action of not purchasing any animal products that aren’t necessary for one’s survival. In practice, it is a boycott and an effective harm reduction strategy.
Because non-vegans purchase the products of violence, vegans are forced to pay taxes that go on to subsidize animal agriculture or face imprisonment and live in communities with reduced accessibility in food systems. It’s not the other way around. Think of all the advertisements for animal products a person who is against killing animals sees on a daily basis that are paid for by your dollars when you buy dead bodies and secretions from fast food corporations.
This idea that the animals rights movement is forcing people to follow plant-based diets is ridiculous, and if you’re not vegan, you’re forcing animals to die. I didn’t force you to watch this video. I hope your conscience compels you to do better for animals that are suffering because of you, and if you do decide to cause less pain and suffering to them, that’s an internal force.
The breeders for small scale goat and cow dairy operations supply factory farms in most cases. Buying starter animals from these places keeps them in operation. Animals cannot consent to giving their bodily secretions to humans. Chickens will often eat their own eggs and it improves their health. Cow milk is for baby cows, not humans.
If you buy any animal products from a grocery store, they’ve come from what you would think is a factory farm. Vital Farms Eggs for instance labels their eggs small family farm sourced, ethical, free range. But the farmers they source from still grind up baby male chicks on their first day of life because they can’t lay eggs. They gas the hens once they stop laying enough eggs.
[https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko ](This is a documentary called Dominion, it shows the reality of animal agriculture)
Annnd, you proved exactly what I said.
Thank you :)
Do you think gassing animals to death and cutting their heads off is abusive? If so, by your own definition, you’re are an animal abuser if you’re not vegan. And if you don’t think gassing animals to death and cutting their heads off is abusive, that’s some pretty serious mental gymnastics.