As protests and attempts to quell them spread from New York to Los Angeles and many states in between, President Joe Biden finds himself caught in a series of political and diplomatic crosscurrents without an easy solution.
“While I condemn Hamas, and supported Israel’s right to defend itself in the aftermath of the attacks, the use of force in reprisal has become excessive - beyond what is justified or acceptable. So effective immediately, I’m halting all arms shipments to Israel, and calling on President Netanyahu to withdraw IDF troops from Gaza and the West Bank.”
Even if he’d just say “I hear you and you’re right, but sometimes I have to make bad choices for the country that are better for the long term” would be something.
Well… He also has very few friends in Israel. Bibi prefers Trump (who recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, which was a Bad Thing), and the way he’s forcing Biden to eat shit right now seems like a pretty easy way to put his thumb on the scale.
“Alright this one is just for the people. Anyone in the government needs to close their eyes and stick their fingers in their ears and say ‘lalala’ for the next half hour.”
That would be nice, but iirc he needs a legal justification or an act passed by congress to actually halt arms shipments. He made moves not too long ago against a specific part of the Israeli military that was found to be committing war crimes, which Netanyahu is opposing. If we get lucky, he might be able to use Netanyahu’s lack of cooperation to suspend or halt military aid entirely. His rhetoric has been trending in that direction, so I’m hopeful.
The Leahy Law. And the one unit they went after was smoke for the entire operation in Gaza. They aren’t letting men leave the combat area right now. Just detaining and torturing them. This isn’t just one problem unit.
Lmao even if he did that right this second, people would still be bitching that he didn’t do it months ago. Sure, it would have been great if he had started off that way, but what’s past is past, and if you want him to change course, then let the fucker change course
Bad comparison. Mexico is an independent nation recognized by the UN. No nation disputes it’s sovereignty over it’s lands.
Palestine is dependent on Israel. Israel controls the flow of people and goods from it’s borders. Israel controls electrical power to Palestine. Israel geographically surrounds Palestine.
One actor holds all the cards here. One actor has the power to improve conditions in Gaza (people don’t generally choose to support violent militants for no reason) and chooses to bomb it.
No nation disputes it’s sovereignty over it’s lands.
That’s not true, see Ukraine and plenty of other nations over history.
Mexico is also the closest to “has a terrorist organization capable of carrying out an attack near the scale of 9-11 living right next door and running the government.”
You’re right it isn’t even close because the US government would never let it get that close.
Israel geographically surrounds Palestine.
Neither the Gaza strip (where all the fighting is going on AFAIK) or the west bank are “geographically surrounded.” I checked a map because you legit made me question my geography.
One actor has the power to improve conditions in Gaza
I don’t think that’s entirely fair either. Israel can’t “fix” Palestine anymore than the US can fix the problems in Mexico … unless they take over Palestine. Nobody wants that…
They could definitely do more to let aid in. They could definitely do better about not hitting civilian targets… But this is not a “just do nothing and everything will get better silly Israel” situation. I think that’s a pretty absurd take as popular it seems here.
Exactly, it’s more like the cartels attacked the US and we in retaliation started bombing mexico out of existence while invading them and taking all of their land.
You do understand Hamas, the same Hamas that attacked Israel, is effectively the government of the Gaza strip right? The Palestinian authority had no recognized authority there.
So that’s also a “terrible metaphor” because “it would be like the government of Mexico was the drug cartels, the drug cartels (which are the government) attacked the US and we in retaliation started bombing Mexico out of existence.”
Isn’t it obvious, Joe?
“While I condemn Hamas, and supported Israel’s right to defend itself in the aftermath of the attacks, the use of force in reprisal has become excessive - beyond what is justified or acceptable. So effective immediately, I’m halting all arms shipments to Israel, and calling on President Netanyahu to withdraw IDF troops from Gaza and the West Bank.”
Problem solved.
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He honestly thinks AIPAC is going to win him his election and not his pissed off voterbase lol.
Even if he’d just say “I hear you and you’re right, but sometimes I have to make bad choices for the country that are better for the long term” would be something.
The problem with something like that is Biden has no way to speak to the people without Israel also hearing.
Well… He also has very few friends in Israel. Bibi prefers Trump (who recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, which was a Bad Thing), and the way he’s forcing Biden to eat shit right now seems like a pretty easy way to put his thumb on the scale.
“Alright this one is just for the people. Anyone in the government needs to close their eyes and stick their fingers in their ears and say ‘lalala’ for the next half hour.”
EZ 😎
That would be nice, but iirc he needs a legal justification or an act passed by congress to actually halt arms shipments. He made moves not too long ago against a specific part of the Israeli military that was found to be committing war crimes, which Netanyahu is opposing. If we get lucky, he might be able to use Netanyahu’s lack of cooperation to suspend or halt military aid entirely. His rhetoric has been trending in that direction, so I’m hopeful.
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The Leahy Law. And the one unit they went after was smoke for the entire operation in Gaza. They aren’t letting men leave the combat area right now. Just detaining and torturing them. This isn’t just one problem unit.
Lmao even if he did that right this second, people would still be bitching that he didn’t do it months ago. Sure, it would have been great if he had started off that way, but what’s past is past, and if you want him to change course, then let the fucker change course
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Bad comparison. Mexico is an independent nation recognized by the UN. No nation disputes it’s sovereignty over it’s lands.
Palestine is dependent on Israel. Israel controls the flow of people and goods from it’s borders. Israel controls electrical power to Palestine. Israel geographically surrounds Palestine.
One actor holds all the cards here. One actor has the power to improve conditions in Gaza (people don’t generally choose to support violent militants for no reason) and chooses to bomb it.
That’s not true, see Ukraine and plenty of other nations over history.
Mexico is also the closest to “has a terrorist organization capable of carrying out an attack near the scale of 9-11 living right next door and running the government.”
You’re right it isn’t even close because the US government would never let it get that close.
Neither the Gaza strip (where all the fighting is going on AFAIK) or the west bank are “geographically surrounded.” I checked a map because you legit made me question my geography.
I don’t think that’s entirely fair either. Israel can’t “fix” Palestine anymore than the US can fix the problems in Mexico … unless they take over Palestine. Nobody wants that…
They could definitely do more to let aid in. They could definitely do better about not hitting civilian targets… But this is not a “just do nothing and everything will get better silly Israel” situation. I think that’s a pretty absurd take as popular it seems here.
Mexico attacking the US is an invalid comparison. Palestine isn’t attacking Israel, Hamas is
Exactly, it’s more like the cartels attacked the US and we in retaliation started bombing mexico out of existence while invading them and taking all of their land.
You do understand Hamas, the same Hamas that attacked Israel, is effectively the government of the Gaza strip right? The Palestinian authority had no recognized authority there.
So that’s also a “terrible metaphor” because “it would be like the government of Mexico was the drug cartels, the drug cartels (which are the government) attacked the US and we in retaliation started bombing Mexico out of existence.”
There’s no perfect metaphor.
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