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    6 months ago

    The problem here is that no matter how much you hate Trump and his grift policies are you really ready to suggest that just under half of your voting age adults nationwide all have the same (low) intelligence? That would not seem to reflect well on your compatriots either when you calculate averages, means and medians.

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      6 months ago

      One of my favorite George Carlin quotes:

      Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

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        Unfortunately, yeah, man’s not wrong. I know there’s supposedly some quote attributed to a US President about him being unhappy that half the population is below average intelligence and wanting something done about it… if true that’s a real smh moment.

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        Yeah, sorry, my bad. Thanks for reminding me - I sometimes forget that it’s now the cyber-hydra we’ve inherited rather than a platform for discussion and harmless entertainment. I’ll try and remember to wind my neck in.

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      6 months ago

      As of the 2020 election, 29% of registered voters identified as Republican. (33% are democrats and 34% independent who predominantly vote one way or the other.)

      Further, only 60% of eligible voters actually voted.

      The average person is dumb. But not that dumb.

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        This! And 29% of 60% is 17.4%. I’d say there’s plenty of room for all the dumb people there. And just for completion, 19.8% for democrats.

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          It’s actually kind of frightening how republicans have that much power with that little actual support.

          The 40% that aren’t registered could practically create their own party and dominate. (Well, if they were a cohesive group.)

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          Did not almost 50% of the 60% that voted vote Trump? I was under the impression that the overall vote count was reasonably close.

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            Keep in mind many districts are gerrymandered to hell and back. Biden had 51% of the popular vote where Trump had 46%.

            Which, for the record is nearly 17, 18, million people?

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            Oh, this is just people that are registered as republicans. Arguably a better metric of actual supporters, rather than just plain votes, as those include a lot of strategic votes from people that don’t really like either, but just settle for whatever they think of as the lesser evil. But even using registered people is a bit iffy, because not all necessarily need to like the given candidate, just food for thought.

            And since ya asked, here’s the same math with votes. The 2020 election final round turnout was 66.6% and 46.8% voted Trump, that means 31.1%. And for Biden, 51.3%, so that would be 34.1%. I’m using Wikipedia’s numbers btw.

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        Good numbers. Thank you. Between your answer and somebody else I think we’re currently at about six in ten eligible voters voting of which about three voted Trump so about thirty percent of active US voters all share the same baseline of stupidity. (According to this meme’s cannon) Still seems big numbers, an inordinately large cluster, but I’m no expert. (I’m now tempted to find out how many people are “unregistered non-voters” (?) that could legally become enfranchised and see how that affects the numbers again)

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          Keep in mind the 60% is the number of people that voted. The party affiliation is from registration, some of whom may not vote. (Or abstained from voting for POTUS, but voted down ballot, Trump lost in 2020 largely because a lot of otherwise republican voters didn’t vote. Biden had solid but not spectacular numbers.)

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            I’ve often wondered how many traditionally Republican people couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Trump versus how many people gravitated towards voting Republican for the first time because of his proclamations. Ultimately, did Trump bring more voters or lose more voters for the party he represented?

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              My parents were life-long republicans. They’re now independents who’ll be voting for Biden this year. They might not vote for dems in the other races, but they certainly won’t be voting for republicans since they’re all fucking crazy here.

              (Seriously. The republican governor candidate last election was recorded accusing elementary schools of putting out litter boxes in class rooms to “accommodate students who identify as furry”.) (Oh. And the others that primaried against him were even crazier.)

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                I’m used to politicians being corrupt, hypocritical, dishonest, out of touch, naive etc. but I hoped they’d never become stupid/insane and yet…

                Maybe in the future your parents will get a presidential candidate they actually want to vote for but It’s nice to know that in an age of vitriol and misinformation there are adults looking at the bigger picture and making a pragmatic choice. Good on them.