This is nonsense. The bad people who call themselves Christians are the ones cherry picking bigotry. The Christian message is, fundamentally, “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Mark 12:30-31). There are a lot of hateful bigots who put a cross on the building, and those are the loud minority. A good Christian is one who prays quietly alone at home, not shoving their religion in other people’s faces (Matthew 5:6).
Westboro Baptists are bad Christians, as are any others who spew hate and intolerance against others.
Okay. When I say “Christian” I’m referring to followers of the teachings of Jesus. Lots of people have a lot of commentary about a lot of things. One of those people was Paul, who wasn’t a disciple and never met Jesus. Timothy is, purportedly, Paul’s correspondence with some guy named Timothy. There are many who feel that Paul seriously corrupted the original Christian message.
Forgive me if I don’t consider the Pauline epistles to be representative of the core Christian message.
The Bible is the Torah + the Gospels of Jesus + a ton of editorialized commentary, filtered through multiple stages of politicized selection. Yes, the fundamentals fit on a post it: love God with all your heart, love your neighbor as yourself. All the rest is parables and commentary, some by Jesus, some by less gregarious personages.
Some modern “Christians” obsess over the less gregarious commentaries (e.g. Paul), some obsess over twisted interpretations of these already twisted commentaries. Such is history.
But the message is the golden rule: love thy neighbor as thyself. All the rest is parables to illustrate variations on that theme. The bad stuff was added later, and it’s the same exact bad stuff that creeps into any emergent structure. Shitty people will gravitate to The Current Popular Thing to peddle their shitty ideologies, especially if they can creep in under the premise of divine sanction.
You’d have to be pretty stupid to believe that centuries-later editorialization by opportunistic shit-heads is representative of the core ideologies of an older movement.
You said you blame capitalism for problems, I assume you like Communism/Socialism?
Stalin co-opted Communism, that means Communism supports authoritarianism right? National Socialists are obviously Socialists since they took the name and published a lot of stuff right? That means Good Communists support Siberian prison work camps and Good Socialists support the Holocaust, right? Any Communist or Socialist who acts like a decent human being in spite of the evils done in the name of a twisted simulacrum of Communism or Socialism is a Bad Communist/Socialist, right?
Otherwise, you’d have to acknowledge that sometimes, over the course of a movement, bad actors try to co-opt the name of that movement for their own corrupt personal gain, and that sometimes if those bad actors have secured significant political influence they can manufacture consensus on the “official” beliefs of that movement through “official” publications.
So choose: is Hitler a Good Socialist, or is Paul a Bad Christian?
There’s no difference, you’re just a hypocrite. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander: either a message is corruptible, or it isn’t. Either the total corpus of Christianity/Communism is canon, or it isn’t. Either the evils enshrined in later “Communist” literature is sacrosanct, or the evils enshrined in later “Christian” literature is suspect. “The Bible” is a political corruption of Christianity no less than modern China is a political corruption of Communism. If the Bible denotes the definitive Christianity, then Mao denotes the definitive Marxism.
To claim otherwise it’s hypocritical double-speak. Are you a hypocrite, or do you acknowledge the Bible might be a slightly more politically compromised document than you’ve heretofore claimed?
There are no inconsistencies in the communist manifesto as far as I’m aware. It certainly doesn’t endorse totalitarian dictatorships or genocide (though the bible does, multiple times).
Yet, your bible details rules for slaves and never corrects itself. The bible endorses and encourages slavery. You just choose to ignore it.
The Bible is a particular selection of disparate writings collected over centuries and codified millennia after the events described.
By like comparison, Communism as a corpus is composed of the exploits of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.
The gospels of Christianity are more similar to the Manifesto itself, and contain none of the dictatorships or genocides to which you allude. The gospels do not encourage slavery. If you judge the Bible based on the commentaries and political corruptions, then so judge Communism by gulags and genocides. If one is corruption, then both are. If one is canon, then both are. If you judge Christianity by Paul, judge Communism by Mao. Mao published. Paul published. If it’s unfair to judge Communism by Mao, it’s unfair to judge Christianity by Paul.
This is nonsense. The bad people who call themselves Christians are the ones cherry picking bigotry. The Christian message is, fundamentally, “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Mark 12:30-31). There are a lot of hateful bigots who put a cross on the building, and those are the loud minority. A good Christian is one who prays quietly alone at home, not shoving their religion in other people’s faces (Matthew 5:6).
Westboro Baptists are bad Christians, as are any others who spew hate and intolerance against others.
1 Timothy 2:12: I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
It’s Christianity - not Timothanity.
Okay. When I say “Christian” I’m referring to followers of the teachings of Jesus. Lots of people have a lot of commentary about a lot of things. One of those people was Paul, who wasn’t a disciple and never met Jesus. Timothy is, purportedly, Paul’s correspondence with some guy named Timothy. There are many who feel that Paul seriously corrupted the original Christian message.
Forgive me if I don’t consider the Pauline epistles to be representative of the core Christian message.
Lol here we go with the moving of goal posts.
Pack it up guys, our work here is done.
The Christian message is not fundamentally anything you can fit onto a post it note.
If you were to take everything the bible condones/encourages, you would get a list of some good stuff, and some bad stuff.
The problem is, the bad stuff is really, really bad.
The Bible is the Torah + the Gospels of Jesus + a ton of editorialized commentary, filtered through multiple stages of politicized selection. Yes, the fundamentals fit on a post it: love God with all your heart, love your neighbor as yourself. All the rest is parables and commentary, some by Jesus, some by less gregarious personages.
Some modern “Christians” obsess over the less gregarious commentaries (e.g. Paul), some obsess over twisted interpretations of these already twisted commentaries. Such is history.
But the message is the golden rule: love thy neighbor as thyself. All the rest is parables to illustrate variations on that theme. The bad stuff was added later, and it’s the same exact bad stuff that creeps into any emergent structure. Shitty people will gravitate to The Current Popular Thing to peddle their shitty ideologies, especially if they can creep in under the premise of divine sanction.
You’d have to be pretty stupid to believe that centuries-later editorialization by opportunistic shit-heads is representative of the core ideologies of an older movement.
What a load of shit lol.
Let’s keep arguing, you’re getting real close to convincing me your religion isn’t a load of dog shit splashed over a fat girls cunt.
You said you blame capitalism for problems, I assume you like Communism/Socialism?
Stalin co-opted Communism, that means Communism supports authoritarianism right? National Socialists are obviously Socialists since they took the name and published a lot of stuff right? That means Good Communists support Siberian prison work camps and Good Socialists support the Holocaust, right? Any Communist or Socialist who acts like a decent human being in spite of the evils done in the name of a twisted simulacrum of Communism or Socialism is a Bad Communist/Socialist, right?
Otherwise, you’d have to acknowledge that sometimes, over the course of a movement, bad actors try to co-opt the name of that movement for their own corrupt personal gain, and that sometimes if those bad actors have secured significant political influence they can manufacture consensus on the “official” beliefs of that movement through “official” publications.
So choose: is Hitler a Good Socialist, or is Paul a Bad Christian?
I’m sure we can both agree that Hitler wasn’t a socialist.
The difference here is that you presuppose people are poorly interpreting the bible when they choose one contradiction over another.
There is no interpretation of communism where the current state of China is permitted.
The bible CLEARLY endorses/encourages/condones MANY fucked up stances and never corrects for them.
Paul is a good Christian, since what he says is in the bible.
There’s no difference, you’re just a hypocrite. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander: either a message is corruptible, or it isn’t. Either the total corpus of Christianity/Communism is canon, or it isn’t. Either the evils enshrined in later “Communist” literature is sacrosanct, or the evils enshrined in later “Christian” literature is suspect. “The Bible” is a political corruption of Christianity no less than modern China is a political corruption of Communism. If the Bible denotes the definitive Christianity, then Mao denotes the definitive Marxism.
To claim otherwise it’s hypocritical double-speak. Are you a hypocrite, or do you acknowledge the Bible might be a slightly more politically compromised document than you’ve heretofore claimed?
You’re a hypocrite.
There are no inconsistencies in the communist manifesto as far as I’m aware. It certainly doesn’t endorse totalitarian dictatorships or genocide (though the bible does, multiple times).
Yet, your bible details rules for slaves and never corrects itself. The bible endorses and encourages slavery. You just choose to ignore it.
I’m not a hypocrite.
The Bible is a particular selection of disparate writings collected over centuries and codified millennia after the events described.
By like comparison, Communism as a corpus is composed of the exploits of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.
The gospels of Christianity are more similar to the Manifesto itself, and contain none of the dictatorships or genocides to which you allude. The gospels do not encourage slavery. If you judge the Bible based on the commentaries and political corruptions, then so judge Communism by gulags and genocides. If one is corruption, then both are. If one is canon, then both are. If you judge Christianity by Paul, judge Communism by Mao. Mao published. Paul published. If it’s unfair to judge Communism by Mao, it’s unfair to judge Christianity by Paul.
Make up your mind.