• Socsa
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    5 months ago

    Plenty of people had the courage to call out injustice before it was popular. Mark Twain is a famous counterexample to “everyone was racist in the 1800s.” Being an ignorant sheep is a valid defense for bigotry, but it’s the lowest possible form of defense.

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      I’m not saying, “Hey, it’s fine” I’m saying that people and cultures change, and should be allowed to change. Never before have people been so unable to escape their past. Yeah, occasionally you get a Bernie Sanders who seems to nail it right off. But most people have some skeletons or some shit they’d be embarrassed about if it were dug up and went viral.

      When you dig up the past and hit people with it, you discourage progress. People are more likely to dig in their heels, knowing that the opinions they have today they’ll have to answer for tomorrow.

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        I would argue that the axiom “consider the feelings of others” is pretty universal and timeless. Philosopher Simone de Beauvoir coined the imperative “do that which maximizes freedom for others” in 1947. Kant debuted his categorical imperative in 1785. These are not new ideas. You are acting like this is some arbitrary ethic which changes at random, when in reality the ideas of “don’t be a dick” and “make society inclusive” is at minimum, centuries old.

        At minimum, everyone always has the out of “I was wrong and now I understand.” It is here that people like Seinfeld and Rowling really fuck it up.

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          people really love to forget that the american union army literally fought a war against slavery, The Battle Hymn of the Repbublic was written by an abolishionist and was inspired by John Brown’s Body, a song about a man who was so furiously anti-slavery that he refused an insanity plea because that would lessen his anti-slavery message.

          Like man, how many people nowadays are going to war specifically on the grounds of ending injustices like slavery? People of the past were unquestioningly capable of considering the rights of others and recognizing that exploitation do indeed be bad.