When you compare Biden to Trump vs. the effects on the Palestinians, were Trump president again, he would not just help the Israelis exterminate the Palestinians, but encourage them to do so quickly- as he’s already told Bibi to “finish it”. So your dichotomy is more than a bit disingenuous .

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
          33·
          5 months ago

          Not in Data for Progress’ poll…

          They used to be good, but after Biden won 2020 and they started working with the DNC, things went downhill quickly.

          During the 2022 midterms, their polls ended up overestimating Republican support.[14] The Tartan reported that the group’s leader, Sean McElwee, was gambling on election results on the website PredictIt, raising ethical concerns.[15] McElwee left the firm in November 2022 amidst allegations of gambling on election results and artificially manipulating polling results to affect races that he had bet money on.[16] Additionally, it has been reported McElwee had inquired among his employees about having them participate in an illegal straw donor scheme.[16] Senior members of Data for Progress informed McElwee that they would resign en masse if he did not step down as the firm’s executive director.[16]

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_for_Progress

          Did you catch that?

          and artificially manipulating polling results to affect races that he had bet money on.[16] Additionally, it has been reported McElwee had inquired among his employees about having them participate in an illegal straw donor scheme

          He also bragged in the past about being able to come up with polls that would be likely to result in increased donations to the candidate paying for the poll…

          Which worked here too. Because I’ve seen articles bragging about how much Biden has raised recently

          Even before that, they were “quick and dirty” polling.

          But that’s a whole big can of worms to get into.

          The important part is that these candidates are polling similar to Biden against Trump already.

          And Biden has the full weight of the DNC behind him (at least up till last week) and an active campaign.

          Obviously anyone that became the candidate and started campaign would see a jump.in their numbers unless it was someone like Hillary

          • agamemnonymous
            33·
            5 months ago

            Which poll shows either Whitmer or AOC bearing Trump in the general?

            • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
              33·
              5 months ago

              What?

              You’re just ignoring everything I say and asking different questions, even though I’ve already talked about it:

              The important part is that these candidates are polling similar to Biden against Trump already.

              And Biden has the full weight of the DNC behind him (at least up till last week) and an active campaign.

              Obviously anyone that became the candidate and started campaign would see a jump.in their numbers unless it was someone like Hillary

              • agamemnonymous
                43·
                5 months ago

                Ignoring your unfounded claims? Yes, I will continue to do that, because you haven’t offered any proof for

                these candidates are polling similar to Biden against Trump already.

                other than just claiming it. And now that I’m asking for that proof, you’re pretending I’m changing the subject.

                I’ll ask again: show me actual data which suggests Whitmer or AOC outperforms Biden against Trump in the general.

                • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  33·
                  5 months ago

                  Mate…

                  You quoted a poll, I asked if it was the one I’m thinking of (because you didn’t link it) and now you’re demanding I link you the poll you brought up?

                  But fine, here’s a poll that shows Whitmere polling competitively to Biden

                  https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html

                  And I never claimed her or AOC are polling better than Biden…

                  I’ll ask again: show me actual data which suggests Whitmer or AOC outperforms Biden against Trump in the general.

                  Like, I think you need to take a deep breath, maybe go get a glass of water, and read thru this thread again.

                  I say one thing, you say I said something else, and then insist on me defending the position you made up.

                  I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt because peoples emotions (rightfully) are elevated this election. But I’m pretty close to just blocking at this point because there’s no way this ever becomes productive if you continue like this.

                  • agamemnonymous
                    32·
                    5 months ago

                    I didn’t quote a poll, I said there were no polls supporting your conclusion. You assumed I was talking about a specific poll, and then attacked that poll.

                    Ipsos shows everyone but Harris and Michelle Obama well behind Biden.