• @[email protected]
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      351 month ago

      Except even if they had regulations it would not have changed anything since she is a ciswoman

      • @[email protected]
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        Imagine a corrupt state really wants gold. Why wouldn’t they register a whole batch of males as female (or duplicate register as both sexes) wait 20 years then clean up the women’s events?

        • @[email protected]
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          so, the heart of your argument itself is sexist. Your argument is, basically, that a man is better than a woman at sports, just because he’s a man. Athletes at this level are insanely talented and fit. Some are even genetic anomalies, which explain why they can be so good at their sport. Simone biles is really small, which is why she’s so good at flipping.

          A female boxer at this level would decimate a male boxer who isn’t genetically selected for and who hasn’t trained his whole life to get to that level. Being male doesn’t make one good at sports.

          On the scale youre talking about, the government would be complicit in widescale corruption to rig a single event in an event where there’s no money involved for the winner, requiring several hundred people to be the athletes who might be good enough to go to the event, boatloads of money to train them, and even then, they might get one through the event if the athlete isn’t injured. All for what reward? A single relatively worthless gold medal?

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            Your argument is, basically, that a man is better than a woman at sports, just because he’s a man.

            No. Women should always have the option to compete against men, (and prove they are better), if they chose to. But just look at world records if you need concrete proof that males have an advantage.

            Many sports there is no physical advantage and some (e.g. climbing) women have the advantage.

            On the scale youre talking about, the government would be complicit in widescale corruption to rig a single event in an event where there’s no money involved for the winner,

            Not a single event, this could be done for multiple events, even without the athlete’s knowledge. For the first decade only a few record keepers need to be in the conspiracy.

            All for what reward? A single relatively worthless gold medal?

            Why? You should ask cold war Russia.

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              51 month ago

              What exactly do you think the Soviet Union achieved by winning a bunch of medals?

              • @[email protected]
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                The person you are responding seems uninformed on the topic of Imane and in spreading misinform.

                However, Russia does have a sordid history messing with international sports. Look up all the scandals in figure skating and also last year Olympics. I’m not sure why they do it. I think it has to do with projecting power on the world stage.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    No you aren’t. You’re arguing about trans women athletes competing in the Olympics against cis women in a thread specifically about Imane.

              • @[email protected]
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                • Propaganda and ideological superiority of communism.

                • Cold war rivalry. Proxy battle.

                • National pride and unity.

                • International prestige.

                • Flying SquidM
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                  21 month ago

                  So nothing important then.

                  Yes, you’ve definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Algeria is just desperate for international prestige. It will definitely do something or other.

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                    Yes, you’ve definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete.

                    Have I? Strange. I wasn’t asked that question.

        • Flying SquidM
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          91 month ago

          What do you think they would achieve in any practical way by winning a bunch of gold medals?

          It’s the Olympics, not trade negotiations.

          • @[email protected]
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            -11 month ago

            It’s estimated that the value of a gold medal is around $1 million in terms of economic impact, considering factors like increased tourism, sponsorship, and national pride.

            • Todd Bonzalez
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              That’s a pathetically tiny amount of capital for a state.

              • @[email protected]
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                You are asking about the total benefits of sending athletes to the Olympics, not the statistical weighing of gold medals in a regression model.

            • Flying SquidM
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              Please do provide actual evidence for that claim. Specifically for a gold medal in women’s boxing.

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                I found that statistic on Bing. You can too.

                I’m not specifically discussing women’s boxing.

        • Todd Bonzalez
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          What the the absolute fuck are you talking about? This is some deranged paranoid nonsense.

    • @[email protected]
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      Except she was born a woman, raised as a girl and is a woman according to her passport from a country where being trans is illegal. So your argument is moot.

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      Injecting testosterone is considered doping. So whatever their gender is, it’s not allowed. This makes trans people by default not eligible, regardless of what gender they’re playing as.

      Have a look at this list: https://www.antidopingdatabase.com/facts/prohibited-list

      My personal opinion is that trans people should just get their own part of the Olympics. Otherwise there is absolutely no way to keep it fair.

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      Make it 2 classes, open and restricted.

      Clear rules on who is allowed in the restricted class.

      Edit People down voting, do you not want a restricted class?

      • @[email protected]
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        When it’s a cis woman you’re worried about against other cis women? No? I’m starting to think that we should have civics tests to use the Internet…

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          It seems that, going forward, a stricter definition and (private and respectful) testing of cis categorisation would reduce the pain and suffering (from armchair commentators like ourselves) of all future competitors at top levels of womens sports.

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              For the “men’s” event, yes. Weight is the only restriction. Women should be able to fight in the men’s event if they qualify.

              For the women’s classification there must be a clear line drawn somewhere between “has given birth” and “changed their name to Sue”.

              (I have no preference exactly where that line is drawn)

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                The youngest Olympian this year is a 12-year-old from China competing as a skateboarder. The youngest ever was an 11-year-old who competed in gymnastics.

                Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test?

                Why do you think women need to be protected by having to prove they’re women? Do you really not get that tons of women would be discouraged from competing if they felt they had to satisfy some white knight’s genetic criteria?

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                  Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test?

                  If there is no gender advantage there is no need.

                  Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation?

                  Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. There needs to be a clear line otherwise these arguments will continue to occur.

                  • Flying SquidM
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                    If there is no gender advantage there is no need.

                    So there’s no need?

                    Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation?

                    So there is a need?

                    Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything.

                    Women do not need your protection, nor have they asked for it.

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                    Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything.

                    What convinced you of this?

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              That is an excellent question that the Olympic committee should answer clearly and definitively.

              • Flying SquidM
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                You are the one claiming she’s not a real woman. It’s up to you to define it.

                They already have an answer, you just don’t like it.

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                  I’ve not claimed anything about any individual.

                  I’m saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. The Olympic Committee need a better answer to avoid similar discussions in the future.

                  • Flying SquidM
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                    21 month ago

                    Fine. What is the test they should use? You don’t like their criteria, so what should the criteria be?

                  • @zarkanian
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                    I’m saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event.

                    Why does there need to be a test?