Kamala might actually make some progress on the symptoms of capitalism, but she’ll never stop the root cause. Best case scenario is things are less bad for 4 or 8 years than they could be.
Exactly my point. We might have “conversations” for a few years, then we’ll go right back towards moving to the right. Just like what happened with Obama. Just like what happened with Clinton.
Nobody said it would be easy, it’s taken the right wing almost 7 decades to forge their alliance with Christian fundamentalists. I don’t expect The Left to be able to enact massive change in any less time if they’re even able to mobilize.
Even a best case scenario of 8 years of Harris and then 8 years of Walz could only be the beginning of unfucking what The Heritage Foundation and Reaganomics and trickle-down lies have done over the last half century.
The way you change things is to start at the bottom. If it were even possible to get a socialist president, they’re be incredibly unpopular, and they’d have a very hard time working with Congress. We need to be playing the long game like conservatives did, building up from local office like school boards.
So the people of the UK had to have universal healthcare rammed down their throats. I don’t remember the stats but it was extremely unpopular. Turns out they loved it. Now if someone campaigned on privatizing the NHS they’d be laughed out of the room.
The day a neoliberal actually follows through on their working class election promises is the day that pigs fly. They just tell us this stuff because they know it’s what we want to hear and will get them elected. After the election, ‘priorities’ always change and they’ll suddenly be telling us why they absolutely have to give a bailout to some company like Comcast because it’s best for America. I have a bit more optimism from someone like her than Biden, but I have no faith in the party or it’s leadership.
Vance being a union guy is interesting to me. It just sucks that he’s so old it’s unlikely he’ll be able to be president next, I think after this election being over 70 will be a death sentence for a presidential campaign.
Go back to mother Russia. Just off the top of my head with 30 seconds of thinking about it and no research:
Obama:
Implemented “Obamacare” allowing millions of Americans with pre-existing conditions to get affordable healthcare for the first time.
Biden:
Limits on predatory interest rates across the board.
Limited Insulin prices.
Both of them have actively gone after people and businesses ripping of medicare which universally helps the working class through better care and lower taxes.
But sure, they’ve done NOTHING for the working class.
Give me a break. The ACA was a Republican drafted plan that did little more than cement the private insurance model in place. They allegedly went with this over single payer (like the rest of the planet) because they wanted to get Republicans on board and still zero Republicans voted for it and then they spent the next decade drafting bill after bill to repeal it. The only benefit that came out of that was the removal of the pre-existing clause and the ability to buy insurance off a marketplace when you didn’t have a job. Actual insurance/healthcare prices have continued to skyrocket year after year and plenty of people are still filing for bankruptcy due to medical costs. Per capita, we’re still paying the highest rates in the world and twice as much (in both public and private costs) when compared to the number two country for healthcare expenditures.
Limits on what predatory interest rates? You can go look at car loan rates for people with bad credit and they’re 20% or more currently. Payday loan places can still charge 400% APR.
Limits on insulin prices is great but what about the million other drugs on the market? The fact that pharma companies can make a miniscule change to some old drug and then re-patent it and jack the price up 4000% is the issue not the cost of insulin. This wouldn’t even be needed if we’d have gone single-payer 15 years ago. Treating the symptoms of the disease doesn’t change the fact that you still have the disease.
During that time they’ve also handed out billions to mega corporations rather than doing anything directly to help the struggling working class. It’s just more trickle-down bullshit.
Them politicians are soo out of touch
Reads headline again
Wait, what the hell? Really? Should I start being optimistic again?
Kamala might actually make some progress on the symptoms of capitalism, but she’ll never stop the root cause. Best case scenario is things are less bad for 4 or 8 years than they could be.
We need a socialist president, not a liberal.
No probably not. But let’s at Bernie was president.
He would work in the confides of capitalism but there is another win:
A progress president would open the conversation to move further towards socialism.
Americans first need to stop fearing socialism, and imo Kamala might help a little with that. I’m not holding my breath though
Exactly my point. We might have “conversations” for a few years, then we’ll go right back towards moving to the right. Just like what happened with Obama. Just like what happened with Clinton.
Nobody said it would be easy, it’s taken the right wing almost 7 decades to forge their alliance with Christian fundamentalists. I don’t expect The Left to be able to enact massive change in any less time if they’re even able to mobilize.
Even a best case scenario of 8 years of Harris and then 8 years of Walz could only be the beginning of unfucking what The Heritage Foundation and Reaganomics and trickle-down lies have done over the last half century.
Baby steps. If things are less bad for 4 or 8 years, progressive policies become more palatable for people. This gets you closer to your ideal state.
Obama didn’t get us closer, we’re further now than before he was elected
Ok, but it’s not gonna happen.
Certainly not with that attitude.
The way you change things is to start at the bottom. If it were even possible to get a socialist president, they’re be incredibly unpopular, and they’d have a very hard time working with Congress. We need to be playing the long game like conservatives did, building up from local office like school boards.
So the people of the UK had to have universal healthcare rammed down their throats. I don’t remember the stats but it was extremely unpopular. Turns out they loved it. Now if someone campaigned on privatizing the NHS they’d be laughed out of the room.
I’m sorry, I agree 100%. I forgot my /s.
The day a neoliberal actually follows through on their working class election promises is the day that pigs fly. They just tell us this stuff because they know it’s what we want to hear and will get them elected. After the election, ‘priorities’ always change and they’ll suddenly be telling us why they absolutely have to give a bailout to some company like Comcast because it’s best for America. I have a bit more optimism from someone like her than Biden, but I have no faith in the party or it’s leadership.
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So historically, Lucy has always pulled the football away at the last second. But I feel like it could be different this time.
Say the line Bart
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Get your hopes up, then. Let me know how that turns out.
Vance being a union guy is interesting to me. It just sucks that he’s so old it’s unlikely he’ll be able to be president next, I think after this election being over 70 will be a death sentence for a presidential campaign.
Go back to mother Russia. Just off the top of my head with 30 seconds of thinking about it and no research:
Obama: Implemented “Obamacare” allowing millions of Americans with pre-existing conditions to get affordable healthcare for the first time.
Biden: Limits on predatory interest rates across the board. Limited Insulin prices.
Both of them have actively gone after people and businesses ripping of medicare which universally helps the working class through better care and lower taxes.
But sure, they’ve done NOTHING for the working class.
Give me a break. The ACA was a Republican drafted plan that did little more than cement the private insurance model in place. They allegedly went with this over single payer (like the rest of the planet) because they wanted to get Republicans on board and still zero Republicans voted for it and then they spent the next decade drafting bill after bill to repeal it. The only benefit that came out of that was the removal of the pre-existing clause and the ability to buy insurance off a marketplace when you didn’t have a job. Actual insurance/healthcare prices have continued to skyrocket year after year and plenty of people are still filing for bankruptcy due to medical costs. Per capita, we’re still paying the highest rates in the world and twice as much (in both public and private costs) when compared to the number two country for healthcare expenditures.
Limits on what predatory interest rates? You can go look at car loan rates for people with bad credit and they’re 20% or more currently. Payday loan places can still charge 400% APR.
Limits on insulin prices is great but what about the million other drugs on the market? The fact that pharma companies can make a miniscule change to some old drug and then re-patent it and jack the price up 4000% is the issue not the cost of insulin. This wouldn’t even be needed if we’d have gone single-payer 15 years ago. Treating the symptoms of the disease doesn’t change the fact that you still have the disease.
During that time they’ve also handed out billions to mega corporations rather than doing anything directly to help the struggling working class. It’s just more trickle-down bullshit.