Do you not see how easy to manipulate that makes you?
And before libs get their panties in a twist - fuck trump, but seriously, when you’re at the point of “I don’t care what I’m voting for, just not that guy”, you’re not the one with any power, you’re just another puppet whose consent to at best maintain the status quo is easily manufactured by those who actually have the power, and with exactly the same tactics used on the other “team”.
What exactly do you think the alternative is here? Not voting just surrenders what little power the electoral process does give you. Even if electoral politics aren’t a meaningful way to advance your vision of a better country, this is still an opportunity, however small, to reduce the harm that will be done under a Trump presidency. Like, even if you don’t expect Harris to meaningfully improve things (and there are a lot of areas where a former cop probably shouldn’t be expected to), the alternative is someone who continues to actively promise to make those same areas even worse.
Absolutely, and her record in those roles imo actually suggests at least some awareness of the kinds of problems that need to be solved there, though I’m sufficiently cynical about things that I would be surprised to see significant action on federal reforms. I’m cautiously optimistic about her, but my point is that even if you don’t think she’s any different from a rank-and-file Republican that would still make it irresponsible not to vote against Trump and the very specific plans he and the people around him have to make all of those problems even worse.
There is definitely room to push the Overton window farther left and (federal) electoral politics does not give an avenue to do that as long as the Republican party continues to drift further right. But the way to do that does not involve abandoning powerful federal offices like the goddamned presidency to right-wing loons.
Look man, it’s true, our government gives us very little real choice, and having to make a binary choice for president sucks. But that’s what we have, it isn’t getting fixed before November, and I really can stress enough how bad one of the choices is. So, given no other realistic choice, I am going to vote to defeat that fascist orange idiot, and even if the person who wins isn’t great, it’s such a low bar not to be worse than Trump, I can confidently say that I will vote for whoever the DNC nominates, with virtually no exceptions.
This isn’t a difficult position to arrive at, and nobody holding this position is actually serious about voting for literally anyone. We’re just using hyperbole because it’s pretty much impossible for the DNC to nominate anyone worse than Trump.
No, it’s an accurate description of what kind of politics you have. I was just pointing out exactly who and what you are. You’ll vote for a anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-abortion conservative if it means beating Trump. For you, Trump is pure evil and any lesser evil is acceptable if it means we can stop him.
Do you not see how easy to manipulate that makes you?
And before libs get their panties in a twist - fuck trump, but seriously, when you’re at the point of “I don’t care what I’m voting for, just not that guy”, you’re not the one with any power, you’re just another puppet whose consent to at best maintain the status quo is easily manufactured by those who actually have the power, and with exactly the same tactics used on the other “team”.
What exactly do you think the alternative is here? Not voting just surrenders what little power the electoral process does give you. Even if electoral politics aren’t a meaningful way to advance your vision of a better country, this is still an opportunity, however small, to reduce the harm that will be done under a Trump presidency. Like, even if you don’t expect Harris to meaningfully improve things (and there are a lot of areas where a former cop probably shouldn’t be expected to), the alternative is someone who continues to actively promise to make those same areas even worse.
Characterizing her as just a “former cop” isn’t fair. She was a district attorney, then an attorney general, then a senator, then vice president.
Absolutely, and her record in those roles imo actually suggests at least some awareness of the kinds of problems that need to be solved there, though I’m sufficiently cynical about things that I would be surprised to see significant action on federal reforms. I’m cautiously optimistic about her, but my point is that even if you don’t think she’s any different from a rank-and-file Republican that would still make it irresponsible not to vote against Trump and the very specific plans he and the people around him have to make all of those problems even worse.
There is definitely room to push the Overton window farther left and (federal) electoral politics does not give an avenue to do that as long as the Republican party continues to drift further right. But the way to do that does not involve abandoning powerful federal offices like the goddamned presidency to right-wing loons.
Look man, it’s true, our government gives us very little real choice, and having to make a binary choice for president sucks. But that’s what we have, it isn’t getting fixed before November, and I really can stress enough how bad one of the choices is. So, given no other realistic choice, I am going to vote to defeat that fascist orange idiot, and even if the person who wins isn’t great, it’s such a low bar not to be worse than Trump, I can confidently say that I will vote for whoever the DNC nominates, with virtually no exceptions.
This isn’t a difficult position to arrive at, and nobody holding this position is actually serious about voting for literally anyone. We’re just using hyperbole because it’s pretty much impossible for the DNC to nominate anyone worse than Trump.
And I actually like Kamala, fwiw.
Obviously they wouldn’t vote for Satan because she’s not real, but if Mitt Romney switched parties they’d happily vote for him.
Tell me I’m wrong.
I don’t like Mitt and voted against him when he ran.
But I’d still vote for him over Trump if those were my only realistic options. I mean, obviously.
Obviously, and that’s the point. You can be forced to vote for anything by the two party system.
Yes, if those were my choices, I would choose Mitt Romney over Trump. Maybe not “happily”, but that is immaterial. Was this supposed to be a gotcha?
No, it’s an accurate description of what kind of politics you have. I was just pointing out exactly who and what you are. You’ll vote for a anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-abortion conservative if it means beating Trump. For you, Trump is pure evil and any lesser evil is acceptable if it means we can stop him.
Think outside the ballot box, I’m begging you.
Lol what?
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